It's a push for Tim. And, not a terrible one.
But, it was also just a teensy bit ridiculous.
Most of Shiva's losses, if I was really bothered to make sense of them, I'd have to write up to her just taking a fall for the lulz. Like Flash losing foot races, a story would have to make real effort to justify it, or it's just...
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Except he fought Tiger AFTER he went through those guys, on a relative scale Deathstroke was worse off by the time he got to Tiger and even in that fight it was Deadshot who came out impressive not Tiger. Its not a clean showing for Tiger on any level.
The Batman of today went blow for blow with Deathstroke, owned Talon and thrashed Ra's. All characters well beyond the level of Judith. Bad showings from time to time are expected, even that Batman lost to SWAT teams and was given the fight of his life by Rick flipping Flag. Modern Tiger just got owned by a Bane thug and was destroyed by unsuited Slade just 1 issue before he fought Batman. So what I'm saying is that Batman's best showings are 100 times better than Tiger's and his low showings are still a 100 times better than Tiger's.
He still passed out immediately after Blake and would have died under 5 minutes had Flag not helped him. Blake was perfectly fine on the other hand.
I just hate how idiotic Batman is these days. He just bullrushes Shiva, even though she kicked his ass before in Nightwing? He keeps deciding to engage her in hand-to-hand combat for some reason when that's her ONLY weapon. The ONLY arena in which she beats him. Gas her, taze her, trap her, stun her, ANYTHING. Batman's greatest weapon is his mind, but writers like Tynion don't seem to understand that. He's NOT the greatest martial artist in the world. He's probably top 10, sure, but when it comes to pure hand-to-hand he's below the purists like Shiva, Bronze Tiger, Richard Dragon, etc...what makes him such a force is that he has many more weapons in his arsenal besides kung-fu. It's clear that Tynion just wanted to offer fanservice to Shiva fans, but didn't want to put in any real effort in doing so. He's used Bruce as nothing more than an exposition machine and his whipping boy for characters he likes better for this entire run.
King's Bruce is weak sometimes, sure, and King definitely likes Dick more and writes him as something of a Mary Sue, but at least King puts in a semblance of an effort. You can believe him getting trashed by Bane in I am Suicide because he was willingly exposing himself to all that pain so that his teammates could maneuver to their positions safe and sound, and him being somewhat masochistic/suicidal was a subtheme of the story. In Rooftops he got his throat slashed by Holly because he was having an emotional freakout about the woman he loves and was taken by surprise. Him losing in these circumstances makes some sense and doesn't feel disrespectful to the character. In comparison, Tynion's 'Tec just feels exploitative and low effort.
I strongly disagree - I think Tynion loves Bruce, but doesn't think Bruce always has to win. His Bruce is struggling to lead by knowing his team, and I think that's where Tynion's real energy is being spent. As far as fights go, sure, Batman could try to pull a Tim and use poison, but I found that incredibly dissatisfying when Tim did it, and wouldn't find it much more interesting if Bruce did it.
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She beat him in Nightwing because she ambushed and badly poisoned him first. He was not fighting back there, and in fact couldn't.
Except he says he's beaten her before. He has no reason to think he wouldn't be able to do so again.He keeps deciding to engage her in hand-to-hand combat for some reason when that's her ONLY weapon. The ONLY arena in which she beats him. Gas her, taze her, trap her, stun her, ANYTHING.
It would've been nice if there had been a hint of that being the plan before it was revealed as such, though.King's Bruce is weak sometimes, sure, and King definitely likes Dick more and writes him as something of a Mary Sue, but at least King puts in a semblance of an effort. You can believe him getting trashed by Bane in I am Suicide because he was willingly exposing himself to all that pain so that his teammates could maneuver to their positions safe and sound, and him being somewhat masochistic/suicidal was a subtheme of the story.
Maybe, but it also raises the question of why the hell his throat's not armored.In Rooftops he got his throat slashed by Holly because he was having an emotional freakout about the woman he loves and was taken by surprise.
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What a shame... But I understand prefer Dick Grayson than bruce..
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Since when could just anybody do what we trained to do? It makes it all dumb instead of special. Like it doesn't matter anymore.
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"We're the same thing, you and I. We're both lies that eventually became the truth." Lara Notsil, Star Wars: X-Wing: Solo Command, Aaron Allston
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It's the Dynamic Duo! Batman and Robin!... and Red Robin and Red Hood and Nightwing and Batwoman and Batgirl and Orphan and Spoiler and Bluebird and Lark and Gotham Girl and Talon and Batwing and Huntress and Azreal and Flamebird and Batcow?
Since when could just anybody do what we trained to do? It makes it all dumb instead of special. Like it doesn't matter anymore.
-Dick Grayson (Batman Inc.)
I was thinking something more along the lines of a gorget. Those allow the wearer to turn their head, and it wouldn't even have to be that thick or made of superstrong material. 2-3 mm of a hard-but-flexible plastic would've blocked a slash attack like that.
Edit - something like this:
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