Thread Drift: Will One More Day ever be reversed?

[Dan Slott]

Wow, i thought that this thread was death.

But answering the question, yes it would be reversed in some point, thanks to the nostalgia cycle, is how this things work, in some point somebody that grew up with the marriage is going to be in charge and would probably reversed it,maybe in 5 or 10 years.

IF you believe that would make a difference (it wouldn't, see previous posts)...
...but even IF you believed that was how it worked, that scenario wouldn't happen.
Not when you do the math and factor in the age of the new blood that's coming onto Marvel editorial now.
They're the ones who jumped on with Brand New Day. There is no cycle. The cycle is passed.
The ones in charge now? They were fine undoing the marriage marriage, theirs is a staff that's in lockstep with that, and their newer staff has none of that nostalgia.

But none of that matters. In this case, there are factors above who's "going to be in charge".
The marriage is never getting reinstated.

If you wanted to bet on a super-longshot? Like the longest of longshots? There's a greater chance of Spider-Man somehow being rebooted so that he's a teen who's still in high school. Even that's not happening. But you could bet THAT would happen LONG before the marriage would be reinstated.
Because the marriage is never being reinstated into the core continuity. I'm saying this as a mercy-- so that you can better spend your time on this message board and on this earth. The marriage? NEVER coming back. Ever.

[boots]

IF you believe that would make a difference (it wouldn't, see previous posts)...
...but even IF you believed that was how it worked, that scenario wouldn't happen.
Not when you do the math and factor in the age of the new blood that's coming onto Marvel editorial now.
They're the ones who jumped on with Brand New Day. There is no cycle. The cycle is passed.
The ones in charge now? They were fine undoing the marriage marriage, theirs is a staff that's in lockstep with that, and their newer staff has none of that nostalgia.

But none of that matters. In this case, there are factors above who's "going to be in charge".
The marriage is never getting reinstated.

If you wanted to bet on a super-longshot? Like the longest of longshots? There's a greater chance of Spider-Man somehow being rebooted so that he's a teen who's still in high school. Even that's not happening. But you could bet THAT would happen LONG before the marriage would be reinstated.
Because the marriage is never being reinstated into the core continuity. I'm saying this as a mercy-- so that you can better spend your time on this message board and on this earth. The marriage? NEVER coming back. Ever.

but what if a zombie virus wiped out every last marvel staffer on earth and then, after humanity defeated the virus, the only person alive with any writing ability became the lone marvel employee and wanted to reinstate the marriage? pretty sure that's a check mate buddy.

[stillanerd]

I'd love to find out why Mephisot wanted the marriage only to see it was some throw away useless reason.

"Sattanish bet me I couldn't. Well, he was wrong now he owes me a Shasta."

Or maybe he just collects things like this. He's got Spider-man's marriage on a shelf in his room right next to D-man's winning lottery ticket, and the time Cyclops and his brother both got adopted by a loving family. Admittedly the marriage isn't that impressive but he needed to complete his set.

"Steal superhero marriage and see what happens" also could have just been on list of things to do when you're bored. Next time he gets bored, he's going to retcon Ghost Rider's origins again.

Oh, I've got a theory (of course) based on what's currently been going on in Joe Kelly's Spider-Man/Deadpool. And if this theory's correct, then it just further illustrates how devious Mephisto really is.

Remember this scene from One Moment In Time?

TASM638004.jpg

We've been looking at this scene all wrong. The key phrase is not Mary Jane's "you'll leave [Peter] alone for the rest of his days." It's Mephisto saying, "As far as I'm concerned, this never happened." And sure enough, not only does Mephisto make it so Peter and MJ were never married, but we see Peter and MJ never encountered Mephisto as seen during the events of One More Day. Because, of course, if there's no marriage, then there's no deal with Mephisto. Which also means if there's no deal with Mephisto, then Mephisto is free to interfere with Peter's life again. Except now, Peter's alone, with no loving wife to offer comfort and support.

Flash forward to the events of Spider-Man/Deadpool. During Spider-Man/Deadpool #5, where Mephisto taunts Peter about how he's the "architect of his ultimate fall" that he'll "never find true happiness...because [he'll] always be missing something." We the readers know Mephisto's talking about the erasing of Peter's marriage to Mary Jane. Later, in the last page of Spider-Man/Deadpool #14, it's strongly implied that Mephisto may have orchestrated events to lead Spider-Man down the path to try and kill Itsy-Bitsy. Well, if Spider-Man commits an act of evil, which murder would most definitely qualify, then wouldn't Mephisto have Spider-Man's soul by default? And Mary Jane isn't there for Peter to set him straight.

In short, Mephisto's been after Peter's soul all along. He just had to get the marriage out of the way in order to obtain it.

[Celgress]

Damn, that's some dark stuff (the above post). One of my favorite heroes has morally doomed himself. Now I'm depressed.

[stillanerd]

Damn, that's some dark stuff (the above post). One of my favorite heroes has morally doomed himself. Now I'm depressed.

Well, Spider-Man hasn't killed anyone yet. And ironically, it's Deadpool who's been trying to steer Spidey back on the "heroes don't kill" bandwagon.

[theoneandonly]

Oh, I've got a theory (of course) based on what's currently been going on in Joe Kelly's Spider-Man/Deadpool. And if this theory's correct, then it just further illustrates how devious Mephisto really is.

Remember this scene from One Moment In Time?

TASM638004.jpg

We've been looking at this scene all wrong. The key phrase is not Mary Jane's "you'll leave [Peter] alone for the rest of his days." It's Mephisto saying, "As far as I'm concerned, this never happened." And sure enough, not only does Mephisto make it so Peter and MJ were never married, but we see Peter and MJ never encountered Mephisto as seen during the events of One More Day. Because, of course, if there's no marriage, then there's no deal with Mephisto. Which also means if there's no deal with Mephisto, then Mephisto is free to interfere with Peter's life again. Except now, Peter's alone, with no loving wife to offer comfort and support.

Flash forward to the events of Spider-Man/Deadpool. During Spider-Man/Deadpool #5, where Mephisto taunts Peter about how he's the "architect of his ultimate fall" that he'll "never find true happiness...because [he'll] always be missing something." We the readers know Mephisto's talking about the erasing of Peter's marriage to Mary Jane. Later, in the last page of Spider-Man/Deadpool #14, it's strongly implied that Mephisto may have orchestrated events to lead Spider-Man down the path to try and kill Itsy-Bitsy. Well, if Spider-Man commits an act of evil, which murder would most definitely qualify, then wouldn't Mephisto have Spider-Man's soul by default? And Mary Jane isn't there for Peter to set him straight.

In short, Mephisto's been after Peter's soul all along. He just had to get the marriage out of the way in order to obtain it.

well that's sort of shadowland all over again.daredevil was also married and feeling trapped in the marriage and had his identity exposed and then was poessessed by the beast after murdering bullseye but the bromance of foggy caused the grip of the beast to loosen and elecktra provided the final means to escape from the condition. speaking about that how did he manage to make his I'd secret again? there was a arc about it recently but I missed the resolution.

[suemorphplus209]

IF you believe that would make a difference (it wouldn't, see previous posts)...
...but even IF you believed that was how it worked, that scenario wouldn't happen.
Not when you do the math and factor in the age of the new blood that's coming onto Marvel editorial now.
They're the ones who jumped on with Brand New Day. There is no cycle. The cycle is passed.
The ones in charge now? They were fine undoing the marriage marriage, theirs is a staff that's in lockstep with that, and their newer staff has none of that nostalgia.

But none of that matters. In this case, there are factors above who's "going to be in charge".
The marriage is never getting reinstated.

If you wanted to bet on a super-longshot? Like the longest of longshots? There's a greater chance of Spider-Man somehow being rebooted so that he's a teen who's still in high school. Even that's not happening. But you could bet THAT would happen LONG before the marriage would be reinstated.
Because the marriage is never being reinstated into the core continuity. I'm saying this as a mercy-- so that you can better spend your time on this message board and on this earth. The marriage? NEVER coming back. Ever.

Didn't it take you a while working on ASM? Did you pitch RYV after a while?

[Cmbmool]

So this Bleeding cool articles states that no matter what Dan Slott does to Spidey, he will forever be tainted by OMD ? https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/03...ays-dan-slott/

[TheCape]

Then why are people who work for Marvel saying that that's an impossibility?

It might be an imposibility now, but it won't be forever. Specially comic book story repeats itself all the time, one way or another.

[super_posable_joe]

Spider-Man made a deal with the devil, Marvel. He made a deal with the devil.

Yes, I'm unhappy about the marriage being undone, but the worst part of it is how it was done.

Made a deal with the damn devil. SMH

[DieHard200904]

It might be an imposibility now, but it won't be forever. Specially comic book story repeats itself all the time, one way or another.

THey can easily make the "Ultimate Universe" or whatever alternate universe handle that. What he is saying is that it's reserved for alternate universes, not 616, and even then a person who works for Marvel has to ask real nice and polite to do the alternate universe and make good promise on it selling.

[DieHard200904]

Oh, I've got a theory (of course) based on what's currently been going on in Joe Kelly's Spider-Man/Deadpool. And if this theory's correct, then it just further illustrates how devious Mephisto really is.

Remember this scene from One Moment In Time?

TASM638004.jpg

We've been looking at this scene all wrong. The key phrase is not Mary Jane's "you'll leave [Peter] alone for the rest of his days." It's Mephisto saying, "As far as I'm concerned, this never happened." And sure enough, not only does Mephisto make it so Peter and MJ were never married, but we see Peter and MJ never encountered Mephisto as seen during the events of One More Day. Because, of course, if there's no marriage, then there's no deal with Mephisto. Which also means if there's no deal with Mephisto, then Mephisto is free to interfere with Peter's life again. Except now, Peter's alone, with no loving wife to offer comfort and support.

Flash forward to the events of Spider-Man/Deadpool. During Spider-Man/Deadpool #5, where Mephisto taunts Peter about how he's the "architect of his ultimate fall" that he'll "never find true happiness...because [he'll] always be missing something." We the readers know Mephisto's talking about the erasing of Peter's marriage to Mary Jane. Later, in the last page of Spider-Man/Deadpool #14, it's strongly implied that Mephisto may have orchestrated events to lead Spider-Man down the path to try and kill Itsy-Bitsy. Well, if Spider-Man commits an act of evil, which murder would most definitely qualify, then wouldn't Mephisto have Spider-Man's soul by default? And Mary Jane isn't there for Peter to set him straight.

In short, Mephisto's been after Peter's soul all along. He just had to get the marriage out of the way in order to obtain it.

So it's Peter who has to defeat Mephisto, but leave it up to destiny to solve the rest?

[Metamorphosis]

Spider-Man made a deal with the devil, Marvel. He made a deal with the devil.

Yes, I'm unhappy about the marriage being undone, but the worst part of it is how it was done.

Made a deal with the damn devil. SMH

This. And they then swept the whole thing under the rug after a halfhearted attempt at redressing it in OMIT.

[juan678]

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/03...ays-dan-slott/

[Patrick Gerard]

Whether or not the comics are, strictly speaking, profitable is not the concern. The NPV* of a comic book issue, properly examined, includes film and action figure R&D.

What I am curious about is what makes Superman different.

As for the three things that would boost sales, I assume Slott is thinking of things like outing Peter as a bisexual, having him make a hardline (and out of the mainstream) political stance like being a socialist revolutionary or neo-Nazi, having him commit an act like rape, or having him commit suicide. Those would all boost sales. Some probably sustainably. Some might generate hundreds of millions overnight and then torpedo the character forever.

* -- NPV is Net Present Value. The current value adjusted to include future anticipated cash flows.