Thread Drift: Will One More Day ever be reversed?

[Cmbmool]

What would be the point of that?

Peter and MJ still lose. OMD's sole purpose was to undo the marriage. That was the reason for everything. If they don't recover that then it was all for nothing, a worthless and pointless gesture. Say Peter and MJ learn of OMD and the deal they made, they confront Mephisto and defeat him but they DON'T get their marriage back which is what they sold to Mephisto in the first place. Nothing happened at all. If they don't recover the marriage, than the deal they made is still active, they still made a fricking deal with the devil.

Case in point, if the marriage is not recovered, you know, the entire reason of OMD, then nothing is achieved and it was all a pointless gesture. How can they get rid of the deal that took their marriage away, but not have their marriage reinstated upon its elimination? Their future daughter's fate was determined by it. Plus, if they did eliminate the deal and received all of their memories and feelings from when they were married and in their minds they still are, they would seek to officially restore it and continue it.

Parker Luck strikes and MJ doesn't want to remarry Peter again due to what happen without him and what he caused in her life. That and their memories are messed up enough to not trust each other to remarry each other again.

[Timmyb52]

OMD crapped upon 20 years of history and character development. In four single issues they did this. As quickly as they took it away is as quickly I want it back. Eye for an eye. The developments after OMD are a result of Mephisto's spell. These "relationships" Peter and MJ got involved in after the unholy separation are a flash, a blink of an eye that matters little if at all. Peter and MJ's feelings changed towards each other because of the spell that's keeping them apart. Those are not their true feelings. The last ten years of continuity will have happened all the same but as though Peter and MJ never made the deal with the devil.

Peter and MJ's choice to make the deal with the devil, hell to even consider it is an out of character move that is completely uncharacteristic of either one of them that should never have happened at all. That wasn't them. For all intents and purposes I believe Mephisto manipulated them in their moment of weakness and desperation to agree to such a heinous act. As OMD is destroyed, all their animosity and insecurity towards each other after the devil deal would dissappear and the people they were before, their true selves would emerge again and them recommitting to the marriage is not an issue because they will be back together and MARRIED. Pal, if OMD is resolved, Peter and MJ WILL get back together and they WILL recognize the marriage because that was the whole point of OMD, that is what they sold to Mephisto and it is exactly that what they will get back. They won't get all that back just to reflect if its a good idea, they will choose to be together again because that's what they chose when they married in the first place.

OMD was instituted because Quesada and others thought the marriage was a mistake that changed the character of Peter Parker and his world too dramatically...so instead of "fixing" one perceived mistake they instituted a whole new one in it's place,making what they saw as a "problem" {the marriage} even worse by distorting and contradicting 20 years of continuity and story with OMD and OMIT in order to achieve a single Peter Parker.Now, if we do another OMD type style tactic to reconstitute the marriage we could be making an even bigger mistake if it is done to quickly and rashly...we will in essence be creating more problems then we solve.
Yes...OMD was heavy handed and done to achieve Quesadas personal preference for the character and his story, and those who did this are still at Marvel and still refuse to bring back the marriage at this time.
If we wish to see OMD,OMIT and the effects that those events had on Peter and MJ undone we must be willing to acknowledge the issues and problems created from them and also to make sure those mistakes are not repeated again.
Since we are dealing with a Marvel administration that does not want the marriage brought back along with fans who see it that way also...we should seek for a middle ground that at least acknowledges the mistakes made from OMD and at least show Peter and MJ on the road to fixing their relationship issues and dealing with the fallout to OMD.
And yes...I believe Peter and MJ can work through those issues quickly if allowed too...but Marvel will not do that and will want to keep Peter and MJ "figuring things out" for some time in order to hinder the progression of their relationship.
With the current direction of DC embracing mature and progressive relationships with their characters {now with Batman and Catwoman getting married?} this makes Marvel look backward and out of step with their audience...this also puts pressure on them to start doing the same.

[Timmyb52]

OMD crapped upon 20 years of history and character development. In four single issues they did this. As quickly as they took it away is as quickly I want it back. Eye for an eye. The developments after OMD are a result of Mephisto's spell. These "relationships" Peter and MJ got involved in after the unholy separation are a flash, a blink of an eye that matters little if at all. Peter and MJ's feelings changed towards each other because of the spell that's keeping them apart. Those are not their true feelings. The last ten years of continuity will have happened all the same but as though Peter and MJ never made the deal with the devil.

Peter and MJ's choice to make the deal with the devil, hell to even consider it is an out of character move that is completely uncharacteristic of either one of them that should never have happened at all. That wasn't them. For all intents and purposes I believe Mephisto manipulated them in their moment of weakness and desperation to agree to such a heinous act. As OMD is destroyed, all their animosity and insecurity towards each other after the devil deal would dissappear and the people they were before, their true selves would emerge again and them recommitting to the marriage is not an issue because they will be back together and MARRIED. Pal, if OMD is resolved, Peter and MJ WILL get back together and they WILL recognize the marriage because that was the whole point of OMD, that is what they sold to Mephisto and it is exactly that what they will get back. They won't get all that back just to reflect if its a good idea, they will choose to be together again because that's what they chose when they married in the first place.

That's DC and that's Batman, not Spider-Man, apples to oranges. Wow, gotta love the smell of "Spider-Man needs to copycat everyone else at DC Comics" in the morning.

How is Batman and Spiderman "apples to oranges" as you describe? They are both fictional characters who can be changed and altered at a writers and editors will. What makes Spiderman so special that marriage can't apply to his character when he was once married before for 20 years of continuity? Your reasoning makes little to no sense at all to me.That's not being snarky...that's just being open and honest.

[UnknownEntity]

Parker Luck strikes and MJ doesn't want to remarry Peter again due to what happen without him and what he caused in her life. That and their memories are messed up enough to not trust each other to remarry each other again.

They don't need to remarry because in their minds, upon the recovery of the lost part of their souls which was the marriage they sold to Mephisto, they are already married. The turmoil in MJ's life is not a valid excuse because she and Peter endured the crises of the 90's, the dangers of Spider Man, stalkers for MJ's model career, the freaking Clone Saga, a baby miscarriage, the plane crash and abduction. They survived all that and by the time of JMS their love and relationship was stronger than ever because it went through hell and survived. MJ did not fight intensely for her relationship with Peter just to end it, then everything will have been for nothing.

[UnknownEntity]

OMD was instituted because Quesada and others thought the marriage was a mistake that changed the character of Peter Parker and his world too dramatically...so instead of "fixing" one perceived mistake they instituted a whole new one in it's place,making what they saw as a "problem" {the marriage} even worse by distorting and contradicting 20 years of continuity and story with OMD and OMIT in order to achieve a single Peter Parker.Now, if we do another OMD type style tactic to reconstitute the marriage we could be making an even bigger mistake if it is done to quickly and rashly...we will in essence be creating more problems then we solve.
Yes...OMD was heavy handed and done to achieve Quesadas personal preference for the character and his story, and those who did this are still at Marvel and still refuse to bring back the marriage at this time.
If we wish to see OMD,OMIT and the effects that those events had on Peter and MJ undone we must be willing to acknowledge the issues and problems created from them and also to make sure those mistakes are not repeated again.
Since we are dealing with a Marvel administration that does not want the marriage brought back along with fans who see it that way also...we should seek for a middle ground that at least acknowledges the mistakes made from OMD and at least show Peter and MJ on the road to fixing their relationship issues and dealing with the fallout to OMD.
And yes...I believe Peter and MJ can work through those issues quickly if allowed too...but Marvel will not do that and will want to keep Peter and MJ "figuring things out" for some time in order to hinder the progression of their relationship.
With the current direction of DC embracing mature and progressive relationships with their characters {now with Batman and Catwoman getting married?} this makes Marvel look backward and out of step with their audience...this also puts pressure on them to start doing the same.

I agree with you about not rushing such a retcon in the same manner as OMD in order to avoid its mistakes. However the problem with OMD was that the story was downright terrible and purposeless. The first three issues amounted to absolutely nothing and the writing was nonsensical. A typical story arc within a comic lasts from 3 to 5 issues, so a good story can be crafted in that amount of issues. As evidenced by the success of RYV on a technical and critical sense, Quesada's views are purely wrong. Writing him as old and tired is what would age the character and his marital status has nothing to do with it. Writing him positive and energetic and in the vein of the spirit of Spider Man but with the status of being in a married relationship is what will keep him youthful and relatable.

The objectives themselves and the how of the objectives are fairly simple. Learn the truth about the devil deal, realize what they've done and seek a solution to fix it. Say Peter and MJ, through some method learn that they made a deal with Mephisto and that they surrendered a part of their souls in the form of their marriage and unconditional love, even if they learned this, the deal was struck and the spell is in effect. They would have to seek out magical or even divine help or get into the thick of it with Mephisto like challenging him to a battle of wits or even another deal (another deal sounds awful BTW). Since we already know that Marvel has the marriage on lockstep, it serves no purpose to factor in the current administration of Marvel in regards to OMD and its retcon because we already know its not in planning and they don't want to do it at all. All of this is purely fan speculation and conception while acknowledging continuity in order to have it projected as it could be done in the main marvel canon.

As for DC embracing all those mature themes, to me, that only encourages Marvel to not do it in order to not copy DC. They'll end up doing the opposite of what they're doing even if it's a success. And if they do decide to do it, it will be half assed.

[Timmyb52]

OMD crapped upon 20 years of history and character development. In four single issues they did this. As quickly as they took it away is as quickly I want it back. Eye for an eye. The developments after OMD are a result of Mephisto's spell. These "relationships" Peter and MJ got involved in after the unholy separation are a flash, a blink of an eye that matters little if at all. Peter and MJ's feelings changed towards each other because of the spell that's keeping them apart. Those are not their true feelings. The last ten years of continuity will have happened all the same but as though Peter and MJ never made the deal with the devil.

Peter and MJ's choice to make the deal with the devil, hell to even consider it is an out of character move that is completely uncharacteristic of either one of them that should never have happened at all. That wasn't them. For all intents and purposes I believe Mephisto manipulated them in their moment of weakness and desperation to agree to such a heinous act. As OMD is destroyed, all their animosity and insecurity towards each other after the devil deal would dissappear and the people they were before, their true selves would emerge again and them recommitting to the marriage is not an issue because they will be back together and MARRIED. Pal, if OMD is resolved, Peter and MJ WILL get back together and they WILL recognize the marriage because that was the whole point of OMD, that is what they sold to Mephisto and it is exactly that what they will get back. They won't get all that back just to reflect if its a good idea, they will choose to be together again because that's what they chose when they married in the first place.

What would be the point of that?

Peter and MJ still lose. OMD's sole purpose was to undo the marriage. That was the reason for everything. If they don't recover that then it was all for nothing, a worthless and pointless gesture. Say Peter and MJ learn of OMD and the deal they made, they confront Mephisto and defeat him but they DON'T get their marriage back which is what they sold to Mephisto in the first place. Nothing happened at all. If they don't recover the marriage, than the deal they made is still active, they still made a fricking deal with the devil.

Case in point, if the marriage is not recovered, you know, the entire reason of OMD, then nothing is achieved and it was all a pointless gesture. How can they get rid of the deal that took their marriage away, but not have their marriage reinstated upon its elimination? Their future daughter's fate was determined by it. Plus, if they did eliminate the deal and received all of their memories and feelings from when they were married and in their minds they still are, they would seek to officially restore it and continue it.

Yes...OMD can be resolved without the marriage. and to Unknown's point...Peter and MJ lost a long time ago when they agreed to Mephisto's deal in OMD.The marriage itself was a tool used by Mephisto to gain a "part" of Peter's and MJ's soul in order for Mephisto to later {as we are seeing currently in Deadpool/Spiderman} make an attempt at gaining control of all of their souls and not just a part of them,or at least Peter's.The marriage itself is over technically, regardless if Peter and MJ remember it since everyone else only remembers Peter leaving MJ at the alter. Turning back OMD and OMIT as simply a memory wipe that can be fixed by undoing it and having everyone else remember the true events of the marriage other than just Peter and MJ is not something Marvel appears willing to compromise at all upon at this time. I can see Marvel allowing Peter and MJ to remember those events as they really happened and resolving OMD and having Peter and MJ in a relationship again working on those "issues" left over from handing their love and marriage over to Mephisto. As long as Peter and MJ are aware of what they sacrificed to Mephisto in regards to their marriage they take back their independence from him and win back a part of their souls which were sacrificed to him.Yes...even though Peter and MJ will regain their marriage back in a sense by remembering it...it will be up to them whether they want to deal with it and acknowledge it after ten years. Their are issues also that Marvel will most likely want to keep in place...such as keeping the rest of the world ignorant of the marriage and the current Post-OMD continuity. Marvel can resolve OMD and keep everyone ignorant of the marriage in the 616 while also keeping the current continuity with Peter and MJ working on their relationship issues. Again....this is not a solution I approve of or advocate at all, but it is better than having OMD still in continuity and Peter and MJ a part. It's a compromise that allows Marvel to deal with these issues while at the same time keeping the marriage off the table for the time being.
The point of all of this is reconciliation and healing the division within the fanbase while at the same time returning disgruntled fans back to the Amazing title...I for one, am not so stubborn nor biased to refuse something that can do that.
I apologize for sounding like a broken record everyone but reconciliation and healing of the fanbase is important to me and I hate seeing the fans of Spidey being divided like this when their are easy solutions at fixing it if Marvel will just acknowledge them and fix it to the best of their abilities.

[UnknownEntity]

Yes...OMD can be resolved without the marriage. and to Unknown's point...Peter and MJ lost a long time ago when they agreed to Mephisto's deal in OMD.The marriage itself was a tool used by Mephisto to gain a "part" of Peter's and MJ's soul in order for Mephisto to later {as we are seeing currently in Deadpool/Spiderman} make an attempt at gaining control of all of their souls and not just a part of them,or at least Peter's.The marriage itself is over technically, regardless if Peter and MJ remember it since everyone else only remembers Peter leaving MJ at the alter. Turning back OMD and OMIT as simply a memory wipe that can be fixed by undoing it and having everyone else remember the true events of the marriage other than just Peter and MJ is not something Marvel appears willing to compromise at all upon at this time. I can see Marvel allowing Peter and MJ to remember those events as they really happened and resolving OMD and having Peter and MJ in a relationship again working on those "issues" left over from handing their love and marriage over to Mephisto. As long as Peter and MJ are aware of what they sacrificed to Mephisto in regards to their marriage they take back their independence from him and win back a part of their souls which were sacrificed to him.Yes...even though Peter and MJ will regain their marriage back in a sense by remembering it...it will be up to them whether they want to deal with it and acknowledge it after ten years. Their are issues also that Marvel will most likely want to keep in place...such as keeping the rest of the world ignorant of the marriage and the current Post-OMD continuity. Marvel can resolve OMD and keep everyone ignorant of the marriage in the 616 while also keeping the current continuity with Peter and MJ working on their relationship issues. Again....this is not a solution I approve of or advocate at all, but it is better than having OMD still in continuity and Peter and MJ a part. It's a compromise that allows Marvel to deal with these issues while at the same time keeping the marriage off the table for the time being.
The point of all of this is reconciliation and healing the division within the fanbase while at the same time returning disgruntled fans back to the Amazing title...I for one, am not so stubborn nor biased to refuse something that can do that.
I apologize for sounding like a broken record everyone but reconciliation and healing of the fanbase is important to me and I hate seeing the fans of Spidey being divided like this when their are easy solutions at fixing it if Marvel will just acknowledge them and fix it to the best of their abilities.

Mephisto wanted their marriage because it was a millennial love that was so rare and so powerful it was practically an expression of TOAA's power which as stated by Uatu is love. Its a classic Lucifer God story where the devil wants to achieve a victory against God and actually succeeded.

Its unimportant if others do not remember Peter and MJ's marriage because the only ones who matter in that situation is solely Peter and MJ exclusively. It does not matter what others think or remember in regards to their matrimony because that is theirs and theirs alone and not the business of the entire world.

If Peter and MJ remember everything as it did happen, their matrimony and their true feelings for each other, they will immediately reunite and continue on for where they left off. That is the full power of their affection and love towards each other. Superman Rebirth is a perfect example of this.

The only thing the marriage ever did was eliminating the possibility of shipping Peter off with some other love interest and as evidenced by the last ten years, its all been for naught.

[Timmyb52]

OMD crapped upon 20 years of history and character development. In four single issues they did this. As quickly as they took it away is as quickly I want it back. Eye for an eye. The developments after OMD are a result of Mephisto's spell. These "relationships" Peter and MJ got involved in after the unholy separation are a flash, a blink of an eye that matters little if at all. Peter and MJ's feelings changed towards each other because of the spell that's keeping them apart. Those are not their true feelings. The last ten years of continuity will have happened all the same but as though Peter and MJ never made the deal with the devil.

Peter and MJ's choice to make the deal with the devil, hell to even consider it is an out of character move that is completely uncharacteristic of either one of them that should never have happened at all. That wasn't them. For all intents and purposes I believe Mephisto manipulated them in their moment of weakness and desperation to agree to such a heinous act. As OMD is destroyed, all their animosity and insecurity towards each other after the devil deal would dissappear and the people they were before, their true selves would emerge again and them recommitting to the marriage is not an issue because they will be back together and MARRIED. Pal, if OMD is resolved, Peter and MJ WILL get back together and they WILL recognize the marriage because that was the whole point of OMD, that is what they sold to Mephisto and it is exactly that what they will get back. They won't get all that back just to reflect if its a good idea, they will choose to be together again because that's what they chose when they married in the first place.

I agree with you about not rushing such a retcon in the same manner as OMD in order to avoid its mistakes. However the problem with OMD was that the story was downright terrible and purposeless. The first three issues amounted to absolutely nothing and the writing was nonsensical. A typical story arc within a comic lasts from 3 to 5 issues, so a good story can be crafted in that amount of issues. As evidenced by the success of RYV on a technical and critical sense, Quesada's views are purely wrong. Writing him as old and tired is what would age the character and his marital status has nothing to do with it. Writing him positive and energetic and in the vein of the spirit of Spider Man but with the status of being in a married relationship is what will keep him youthful and relatable.

The objectives themselves and the how of the objectives are fairly simple. Learn the truth about the devil deal, realize what they've done and seek a solution to fix it. Say Peter and MJ, through some method learn that they made a deal with Mephisto and that they surrendered a part of their souls in the form of their marriage and unconditional love, even if they learned this, the deal was struck and the spell is in effect. They would have to seek out magical or even divine help or get into the thick of it with Mephisto like challenging him to a battle of wits or even another deal (another deal sounds awful BTW). Since we already know that Marvel has the marriage on lockstep, it serves no purpose to factor in the current administration of Marvel in regards to OMD and its retcon because we already know its not in planning and they don't want to do it at all. All of this is purely fan speculation and conception while acknowledging continuity in order to have it projected as it could be done in the main marvel canon.

As for DC embracing all those mature themes, to me, that only encourages Marvel to not do it in order to not copy DC. They'll end up doing the opposite of what they're doing even if it's a success. And if they do decide to do it, it will be half assed.

I agree with you and sympathize with all your points and would want nothing more to see the marriage reconstituted into present continuity...but I think the best we will get is a resolution from Marvel that will allow Peter and MJ to date again but not to recognize their marriage. I hate it just as much as you do...but I can live with that knowing their is hope for them in the future to remarry again down the road.As long as Peter and MJ are a central couple again in the books I can swallow my pride and accept ignoring the marriage for the time being.

[Timmyb52]

Mephisto wanted their marriage because it was a millennial love that was so rare and so powerful it was practically an expression of TOAA's power which as stated by Uatu is love. Its a classic Lucifer God story where the devil wants to achieve a victory against God and actually succeeded.

Its unimportant if others do not remember Peter and MJ's marriage because the only ones who matter in that situation is solely Peter and MJ exclusively. It does not matter what others think or remember in regards to their matrimony because that is theirs and theirs alone and not the business of the entire world.

If Peter and MJ remember everything as it did happen, their matrimony and their true feelings for each other, they will immediately reunite and continue on for where they left off. That is the full power of their affection and love towards each other. Superman Rebirth is a perfect example of this.

The only thing the marriage ever did was eliminating the possibility of shipping Peter off with some other love interest and as evidenced by the last ten years, its all been for naught.

Once again I agree with you...but isn't it better to have Marvel agree to a compromise then to have nothing at all? At least we would have MJ back in the book with Peter again...and for us we can still recognize that they are married while those who don'e like it can go on believing their is no marriage at all.

[UnknownEntity]

I agree with you and sympathize with all your points and would want nothing more to see the marriage reconstituted into present continuity...but I think the best we will get is a resolution from Marvel that will allow Peter and MJ to date again but not to recognize their marriage. I hate it just as much as you do...but I can live with that knowing their is hope for them in the future to remarry again down the road.As long as Peter and MJ are a central couple again in the books I can swallow my pride and accept ignoring the marriage for the time being.

Once again I agree with you...but isn't it better to have Marvel agree to a compromise then to have nothing at all? At least we would have MJ back in the book with Peter again...and for us we can still recognize that they are married while those who don'e like it can go on believing their is no marriage at all.

For all intents and purposes, Renew Your Vows is the compromise Marvel has put forth and your pride like mine can feed off of that excellently crafted remedy (though not a solution). And Dan Slott has already stated that Peter and MJ getting back together can happen just as easily but without the marriage and without alluding to OMD. If the two do get back together in present continuity, they will never remarry or get married again or otherwise OMD would not have been made. So that possibility is dead before arrival.

What were discussing pertains only to us and it doesn't have to factor in Marvel's take because we already know they don't want to address OMD or restore the marriage. So all were doing is discussing it fan to fan in a scenario where it would happen and how would we make it happen both to restore and keep past and present continuity and restore the spider marriage in its entirety. Were not negotiating with Marvel here, were just discussing this between us so there's nothing to compromise. Even such compromises and negotiations would fall flat because they will do whatever they want to do in any case.

[Timmyb52]

For all intents and purposes, Renew Your Vows is the compromise Marvel has put forth and your pride like mine can feed off of that excellently crafted remedy (though not a solution). And Dan Slott has already stated that Peter and MJ getting back together can happen just as easily but without the marriage and without alluding to OMD. If the two do get back together in present continuity, they will never remarry or get married again or otherwise OMD would not have been made. So that possibility is dead before arrival.

What were discussing pertains only to us and it doesn't have to factor in Marvel's take because we already know they don't want to address OMD or restore the marriage. So all were doing is discussing it fan to fan in a scenario where it would happen and how would we make it happen both to restore and keep past and present continuity and restore the spider marriage in its entirety. Were not negotiating with Marvel here, were just discussing this between us so there's nothing to compromise. Even such compromises and negotiations would fall flat because they will do whatever they want to do in any case.

True...and if it was up to us marriage fans we would have undone OMD a long time ago for sure.RYV's is Marvel's attempt to shut the pro-marriage fans up who want to see a resolution to OMD in current 616 continuity IMHO. Although I read and buy RYV's and think its great their are many other fans of the marriage who don't because to them it doesn't count as being real in comparison to the 616...and they don't buy it.I want to see a resolution to OMD and Peter and MJ back together again in the main 616 [personally, and no matter how good RYV's is it will never be good enough for me to tell you the truth.It will never stop me from wanting a resolution to OMD in the 616 with Peter and MJ back together again in some form or manner. RYV's is simply a device which is being used by Marvel to not just compromise with but to also stall them from having to deal with OMD in the 616. It is a band aid that will not fix issues the pro-marriage and pro-MJ fans have...and sooner or later Marvel will have to acknowledge that whether they want to or not. And it will get harder from them to ignore as long as DC shows that these types of storylines can be done in a popular and profitable way.IMHO...I don't think we have that long to wait for some type of resolution to OMD and Peter and MJs relationship status.

[marhawkman]

The only thing the marriage ever did was eliminating the possibility of shipping Peter off with some other love interest and as evidenced by the last ten years, its all been for naught.

Yeah, you have stuff like "Leo" talking to Jenny.... then Jenny gets into a fist fight with Thor, and thus ends anything resembling romance.

[Miles To Go]

Well this week is the marriage's thirtieth anniversary [damn am I old], so that perhaps makes this week's Spider-Man/Deadpool just a tad more pivotal as a read.

Aside from that, unless there's an announcement of anything concrete by the end of the week about MJ's possible role in Spectacular Spider-Man or something to do with Iron Jane or whatever, I think it's safe to say Marvel aren't too bothered.

Though kudos to DC for timing the Bat-proposal to go ahead on this very week

[UnknownEntity]

Yeah, you have stuff like "Leo" talking to Jenny.... then Jenny gets into a fist fight with Thor, and thus ends anything resembling romance.

Em, what????????

[UnknownEntity]

Well this week is the marriage's thirtieth anniversary [damn am I old], so that perhaps makes this week's Spider-Man/Deadpool just a tad more pivotal as a read.

Aside from that, unless there's an announcement of anything concrete by the end of the week about MJ's possible role in Spectacular Spider-Man or something to do with Iron Jane or whatever, I think it's safe to say Marvel aren't too bothered.

Though kudos to DC for timing the Bat-proposal to go ahead on this very week

RYV 8 releases next week