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    Default Is it fair to have equal pay between male and female?

    Probably if you're going to work the same thing, like in call center or offices like accounting department, basically any work that only uses one's mind, then yes, men and women's pay should be equal.

    But I was able to work to a food chain before called Jollibee and it's similar to Mcdonalds or KFC, etc. You see male and female cashiers and male and female dining staff. The dining staff (which was my job) are the ones who clean the tables, floors, glass walls and clean the garbage room too.

    I was thinking though that if we have male and female dining staff and both sexes have the same salary, how come the female dining staff don't clean the garbage room? Why does it have to be the guys to do it all the time, the ones who do the tougher job? If both sexes are equally paid then the ladies should also clean the garbage room and lift stuff since we men all lift stuff.

    I am at a call center now and you will see..., i think they are called maintenance staff, the ones who clean the floor, the computer stations, the comfort rooms, etc. And I can see that the male ones are the ones who have more things to do especially when it comes to lifting things and when there is a party, even just slicing "lechon", the ones who are having a party would prefer to go to a male maintenance staff asking for help.

    For example, a truck loaded with boxes of things needed in the office, etc just arrived. It's going to be the male ones who are called to carry those boxes.

    So is it fair to have an equal pay between male and female on the specific jobs that I have emphasized?

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    Premise assumes the way described is the only way things will play out in every situation.

    Doubtful in actual practice.

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    And what about if a transgender person transitions? Would their pay change then?

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    Not sure if serious.

    Yes, of bloody course it's fair. Women should not get paid less just because the person who gets to decide who of the cleaning staff does what is a sexist.

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    In the situations described in the original post, the work isn't equal, so pay shouldn't be equal.

    As a general rule, employees should be paid the same based on a variety of factors (amount of work done, promotional level, prior relevant experience, etc.) regardless of gender.

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    Equal pay means "if you do the same job, you are paid the same"

    So... if there was a female on the maintenance crew, then yes, she should be paid the same.

    equal pay does not mean, "everyone that works for the company gets paid the same regardless of their job"
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    The "wage gap", or to be more honest, earnings gap, is a myth that has been disproven over and over again, yet feminists will not let it go because it reaffirms their view of women as victims of the patriarchy.

    Women earn the same as men when they do the same work, in the same amount. When they don't, they don't. Which is how it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    Equal pay means "if you do the same job, you are paid the same"

    So... if there was a female on the maintenance crew, then yes, she should be paid the same.

    equal pay does not mean, "everyone that works for the company gets paid the same regardless of their job"
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidTierHero View Post
    The "wage gap", or to be more honest, earnings gap, is a myth that has been disproven over and over again, yet feminists will not let it go because it reaffirms their view of women as victims of the patriarchy.

    Women earn the same as men when they do the same work, in the same amount. When they don't, they don't. Which is how it should be.
    It hasn't been disproven anywhere except on FoxNews and Brietbart. It is true.

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/05/men-s...same-jobs.html

    What's more, it is common in our culture that jobs that are generally done by women pay less than jobs generally done by men.

    Teachers make less than Sanitation workers for instance.

    This won't change your mind, since your world view is fixed. But others here might find it of interest.

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    Teachers make less than sanitation workers because sanitation work is physically demanding, involves exposure to snow and rain, and carries a higher rate of injury.

    Women and men on average make different choices about their employment. ON AVERAGE, men are more likely to choose to work longer hours, enter fields that are more physically taxing and/or dangerous (and thus pay more), or enter the hard sciences. ON AVERAGE, women tend to make the opposite choices. ON AVERAGE, men tend to pursue more money, and women choose more fulfillment.

    Sexism has nothing to do with it. Gender is not a construct.

    The below link is Warren Farrell at the Cato Institute.

    http://youtu.be/sl0JcZfFGQw

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    And we all know that in this country, physical labor pays more than intellectual and emotionally demanding work.
    Ask all those migrant workers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edhopper View Post
    And we all know that in this country, physical labor pays more than intellectual and emotionally demanding work.
    Ask all those migrant workers.

    Sure the Koch founded Cato, Inst. Conclusions in search of evidence,

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Cato_Institute
    Migrant workers exist outside the protection of normal labor laws, which makes using them as an example of low-payed workers ridiculous.

    The Cato Institute has also come out hard against police brutality and militarization. Does that sound like something the Koch brothers would support?

    Would you care to address any of the actual points raised about the choices that men and women collectively making or do you just want to continue to believe in a fantasy that has been disproven time and time again because it supports "muh narrative"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidTierHero View Post
    Migrant workers exist outside the protection of normal labor laws, which makes using them as an example of low-payed workers ridiculous.

    The Cato Institute has also come out hard against police brutality and militarization. Does that sound like something the Koch brothers would support?

    Would you care to address any of the actual points raised about the choices that men and women collectively making or do you just want to continue to believe in a fantasy that has been disproven time and time again because it supports "muh narrative"?
    Because it's not true.

    https://thinkprogress.org/people-say...d04#.9hukkavu4

    http://time.com/money/4285843/gender...excuses-wrong/

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jillia...b_4725356.html


    But I'm not surprised that Cato perpetuates the myth. They also push trickle down economics.

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    By the way, this is from the study that you link to:

    But what often gets lost in translation is what the uncontrolled gap truly represents—that women are less likely to hold high-level, high-paying jobs than men. The more stubborn gap is one of opportunity rather than "equal pay for equal work." When we compare men and women who hold the same jobs, the median salaries are significantly closer and the pay gap becomes less substantial. But even then, there is a gap: the controlled gender pay gap. Nationally, when we control for job title, job level and other important influencers of wages (like years of work experience), women still only make 98 cents for every dollar earned by men.
    They found that once they control for variables such as hours worked, experience, and vocation, the gap shrinks to 2 cents. That's approaching statistically insignificant, especially since this is just one survey, and other surveys have shown that once such variables are controlled,the gap disappears entirely, or that women actually outearn men.

    When you look at the top five college majors in terms of average salary expected, a majority of matriculants are men in four out of the five. The bottom five majors? Women are the majority in four out of the five.

    Men work more hours than women on average across all occupations.

    So the "wage gap" really boils down to CHOICES women make. If they make the choices that their male counterparts are makin on average, they'll make the same amount of money.

    So much for the patriarchy.

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    From that bastion of the patriarchy, Georgetown University:

    A 2013 article in the Daily Beast, citing a Georgetown University survey on the economic value of different college majors, showed how nine of the 10 most remunerative majors were dominated by men:

    1. Petroleum Engineering: 87% male
    2. Pharmacy Pharmaceutical Sciences and Administration: 48% male
    3. Mathematics and Computer Science: 67% male
    4. Aerospace Engineering: 88% male
    5. Chemical Engineering: 72% male
    6. Electrical Engineering: 89% male
    7. Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering: 97% male
    8. Mechanical Engineering: 90% male
    9. Metallurgical Engineering: 83% male
    10. Mining and Mineral Engineering: 90% male

    Meanwhile, nine of the 10 least remunerative majors were dominated by women:

    1. Counseling Psychology: 74% female
    2. Early Childhood Education: 97% female
    3. Theology and Religious Vocations: 34% female
    4. Human Services and Community Organization: 81% female
    5. Social Work: 88% female
    6. Drama and Theater Arts: 60% female
    7. Studio Arts: 66% female
    8. Communication Disorders Sciences and Services: 94% female
    9. Visual and Performing Arts: 77% female
    10. Health and Medical Preparatory Programs: 55% female

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