View Poll Results: Should "Loving Submission" return?

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    I was not proposing that EL James write a Wonder Woman run. Check out my response to Seige Perilous to see what I was proposing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat Powers View Post
    I was not proposing that EL James write a Wonder Woman run. Check out my response to Seige Perilous to see what I was proposing.
    Your proposal is begging for failure for the simple notion that you're chasing another fanbase. There are countless examples where that hasn't worked. Marvel chased anime for years with little to no success. Twilight was huge, making hundreds of millions more than 50 Shades, yet, other urban vampire romance didn't sell half as well. Fans of one series don't just pick up whatever else you throw at them. Moreover, 50 Shades is already beyond its prime with the second movie making hundreds of millions less than the first.

    More important, DC/WB is not going to take WW into any detail about her sex life, just as they don't for any of their marquee heroes. That isn't what they do, and it's not their brand. They may have brief glimpses here and there, but that's it.

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    yup, pretty much this!

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    Growing a property sometimes requires taking risks. As I said, the size of the Fifty Shades fanbase should be very appealing to DC.

    I don't think they'll do actual bondage porn imagery, but they can certainly IMPLY sexual bondage just as they IMPLY sex all the time. See: Starfire. It can be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat Powers View Post
    Growing a property sometimes requires taking risks. As I said, the size of the Fifty Shades fanbase should be very appealing to DC.

    I don't think they'll do actual bondage porn imagery, but they can certainly IMPLY sexual bondage just as they IMPLY sex all the time. See: Starfire. It can be done.
    One of the best ways for a business to fail is to forget what they do. DC publishes superheroes, not wanna-be 50 Shades fan fic.

    And, if the are only "implying" sex, what 50 Shades fan is even going to be remotely intrigued by that?

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    I think it's possible to do it. Like someone (Seige) said, "Sunstone" is a good example of how such material could be handled in a smart and engaging way.

    On the other hand, like Awonder just said, DC isn't about to get too detailed about the sex lives about any of their icon characters and they can just barely handle heteronormative sexuality in cape comics. Half the time they screw that up.

    Having said that, you really don't have to be explicit about it. You can introduce those concepts and be subtle about it. But it'll take a smart and informed writer to do it and not make it sensationalistic.

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    I think there's a kind of tunnel vision when it comes to how Marston set up the Amazon's cult of Aphrodite. It's like this is the only religion, fictional or real, that required loving submission of its followers or had practices that can be viewed as kinky when separated out of their context.

    I won't name names, because that could derail this thread, yet there are some very well-known ideologies and mythologies that you could pick apart in the same way. But we give the billions of people who follow those dogma some respect and allowance for doing their own thing.

    It really bugs me that Marston's personal choices are denegrated this way. I just think that "whatever gets you through the night is all right, 's all right."
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    I think the topic is interesting and I think it's actually a core part of the whole 'fighting with love' tagline people love to put on Diana. Because someone as powerful as her have a very easy time to unintentionally appear aloof and above everyone else. So the whole submissive aspect could be as simple as seeing her going down to normal people's levels rather than pull them up to hers.
    Like Superman often floats down from above when he is to meet someone and often also remains hanging in the air above them, while Diana would simply land to have the other person at eye height.

    With combat, within reason I would say there could be more of the kind of fights like the one Simone had between Diana and the GL and Rucka's cuddle/wrestling with Cheetah where Diana takes a few blows or hangs on while the other character gets their tantrum out of their system. She could fight back and end it pretty quickly, but essentially these fight could be seen as her submitting to the anger of the other characters and weathers the storm till they are reasonable again.

    In terms of love... I don't see why it needs to be something spectacular that a character might enjoy love making in a particular fashion. It doesn't have to be depicted, and it doesn't have to explicit or extreme, all it needs is being alluded to... even in the form of a joke. And in the case of the Amazons, in general, it could have taken on a kind ritualistic aspect.

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