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    Quote Originally Posted by spyderbytes View Post
    Barbara matters more and is more beloved, that's why she's more popular. Steph and Cass are afterthoughts. Get over it.
    LOL, DC is so scared of the thought of any of the other 2 bypassing Barbara on the role, that they do anything in their power to keep them way in any form of media...only they just can't, because in the comics medim at least they sell, and the fans just won't let them go, and they shouldn't.
    I mean, just look at the all the trouble they had to retcon Steph into not being on smallville, they went against the creator ideas and forced / shoehorned Barbara on it...lol, its so pathetic that its laughable...

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    For better or worse, Bat-cow will be a more popular character than Batman himself, if Batman stops being published all around and stops appearing on any other form of media altogether, while Bat-cow gets shoehorned everywhere...yeah, just like that...stuff like this, it doesn't make you special at all...how people confuse this with how good a character is, its mind-blowing really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bat_girl_cc View Post
    LOL, DC is so scared of the thought of any of the other 2 bypassing Barbara on the role, that they do anything in their power to keep them way in any form of media...only they just can't, because in the comics medim at least they sell, and the fans just won't let them go, and they shouldn't.
    I mean, just look at the all the trouble they had to retcon Steph into not being on smallville, they went against the creator ideas and forced / shoehorned Barbara on it...lol, its so pathetic that its laughable...
    They'd rather use Katanna than Cassandra as well. What does that tell you about how much she matters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bat_girl_cc View Post
    Wrong on all accounts...
    Who made Batgirl "matter"? was Cassandra Cain, who was respected and feared by everyone...Babs is not even taken seriously by her opponents most of the time, and franky, give her skill-set in a fight she shouldn't be respected by anyone else above a street-thug.
    Who made Batgirl "beloved"? was Stephanie Brown, the "litghter Batgirl" only done better than Barbara, and much more fun all around.
    Who made Batgirl "popular"? was DC...giving lots of exposure (cartoons, games, etc) to Barbara, and shitting on every other Batgirl.
    In-universe street-cred doesn't matter in the slightest. The general public may know who Barbara Gordon is, but they've likely never even heard of Cassandra Cain or Stephanie Brown. It doesn't make much sense from a business perspective to try to retrain the GA's perception of Batgirl for a movie when Barbara is the Batgirl represented in all forms of media: comics, cartoons, video games, merchandise, and movies.

    The studio heads didn't decide to make a Batgirl movie and then sit down and brainstorm which one they would use. When they ordered a Batgirl movie, it was always going to Barbara. The studio heads in charge probably don't even know that there has been more than one person to put on the Batgirl costume. This isn't an instance where Barbara took a movie that could have been Cassandra's or Stephanie's. They were never going to get a movie. In this instance, they may have been competing for the Wonder Woman for her movie.
    It's the Dynamic Duo! Batman and Robin!... and Red Robin and Red Hood and Nightwing and Batwoman and Batgirl and Orphan and Spoiler and Bluebird and Lark and Gotham Girl and Talon and Batwing and Huntress and Azreal and Flamebird and Batcow?

    Since when could just anybody do what we trained to do? It makes it all dumb instead of special. Like it doesn't matter anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spyderbytes View Post
    They'd rather use Katanna than Cassandra as well. What does that tell you about how much she matters?
    That the upper brass of DC hates Cass, and are afraid of people wanting to see her over Babs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyderbytes View Post
    They'd rather use Katanna than Cassandra as well. What does that tell you about how much she matters?
    Isn't it obvious?...using Cass would change things alot...Cass as Batgirl in the same continuity, means no Babs as Batgirl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlanta96 View Post
    I say failure since it failed to live up to the first Avengers film. It was drastically lower quality, I don't know anyone who thinks AoU was a superior Avengers film.
    Me!

    Avengers Assemble has some good bits - mainly a few one-liners and Black Widow - but it also had two overly long fairly boring fight scenes. The second one with all of the generic monsters invading New York was particularly dull.

    I didn't get bored in Age of Ultron at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bat_girl_cc View Post
    For better or worse, Bat-cow will be a more popular character than Batman himself, if Batman stops being published all around and stops appearing on any other form of media altogether, while Bat-cow gets shoehorned everywhere...yeah, just like that...stuff like this, it doesn't make you special at all...how people confuse this with how good a character is, its mind-blowing really.
    I tell you another mind-blowing thing. DC finally decides to make a Batgirl movie, film that if it's well received for the spectators can give way to the following Batgirls in future films, establishing the franchise, but some fans don't stop complaining even prefer that the movie fails for their little envy.

    It's so ridiculous that it almost absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightwingIvI View Post
    In-universe street-cred doesn't matter in the slightest. The general public may know who Barbara Gordon is, but they've likely never even heard of Cassandra Cain or Stephanie Brown. It doesn't make much sense from a business perspective to try to retrain the GA's perception of Batgirl for a movie when Barbara is the Batgirl represented in all forms of media: comics, cartoons, video games, merchandise, and movies.

    The studio heads didn't decide to make a Batgirl movie and then sit down and brainstorm which one they would use. When they ordered a Batgirl movie, it was always going to Barbara. The studio heads in charge probably don't even know that there has been more than one person to put on the Batgirl costume. This isn't an instance where Barbara took a movie that could have been Cassandra's or Stephanie's. They were never going to get a movie. In this instance, they may have been competing for the Wonder Woman for her movie.
    The thing is, they don't want the others to be as popular...this argument you're using, you would use it in 10 years from now if Babs got another movie...because in 10 years from now DC will still not let them appear anywhere else...what does that tell you? sounds like fear on their part to me...
    Regardless of how it would turn out if they used Cass and/or Steph as Batgirl, its obvious that they won't even acknowledge their existance, as much as they can prevent it...only they don't live forever, nor can they keep their jobs at DC/WB forever...and whomever comes after, is more likely to have grow reading one of the other 2 than whatching Babs from the the 70's...i'm 99% convinced that Cass, Steph and other characters as well will inevitably appear on cartoons, movies, etc, as long as they keep appearing on the comics until then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bat_girl_cc View Post
    Isn't it obvious?...using Cass would change things alot...Cass as Batgirl in the same continuity, means no Babs as Batgirl.
    Barbara acted more as Oracle than Batgirl in that series. How did she interfere with Cassandra's inclusion at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orujo-man View Post
    I tell you another mind-blowing thing. DC finally decides to make a Batgirl movie, film that if it's well received for the spectators can give way to the following Batgirls in future films, establishing the franchise, but some fans don't stop complaining even they prefer that the movie fails because their little envies.

    It's so ridiculous that it almost absurd.
    DC doesn't like ther other Batgirls nor will they let them be used, as long as they can prevent it from happening...
    I already adressed the tragedy that it is this movie, possibly being a flop, and that could damage Batgirl's chances of appearing again anytime soon on the big screen, regardless of what character is on the mantle...but lets face, it will most likely be a flop.
    I really hope that it doesn't fail, but it most likely will...anyway, its not like we would get to see any of the others anytime soon anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bat_girl_cc View Post
    The thing is, they don't want the others to be as popular...this argument you're using, you would use it in 10 years from now if Babs got another movie...because in 10 years from now DC will still not let them appear anywhere else...what does that tell you? sounds like fear on their part to me...
    Regardless of how it would turn out if they used Cass and/or Steph as Batgirl, its obvious that they won't even acknowledge their existance, as much as they can prevent it...only they don't live forever, nor can they keep their jobs at DC/WB forever...and whomever comes after, is more likely to have grow reading one of the other 2 than whatching Babs from the the 70's...i'm 99% convinced that Cass, Steph and other characters as well will inevitably appear on cartoons, movies, etc, as long as they keep appearing on the comics until then.
    What partiality to Barbara do the WB execs have? Why should they care if the other Batgirls are more popular than Barbara? They don't care where their money comes from, they just want cash.
    It's the Dynamic Duo! Batman and Robin!... and Red Robin and Red Hood and Nightwing and Batwoman and Batgirl and Orphan and Spoiler and Bluebird and Lark and Gotham Girl and Talon and Batwing and Huntress and Azreal and Flamebird and Batcow?

    Since when could just anybody do what we trained to do? It makes it all dumb instead of special. Like it doesn't matter anymore.
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    Is bat-girl going on about kung fu power levels again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyderbytes View Post
    Barbara acted more as Oracle than Batgirl in that series. How did she interfere with Cassandra's inclusion at all?
    Barbara's character doesn't prevent Cass from doing anything...actually, Barbara being around increases the chances of Cass and Steph appearing...DC just won't let it happen, besides it would have to be as Oracle, as Batgirl it means that even if they existed they wouldn't get to appear anyway, because Babs would still be THE batgirl...besides its obvious that they want to use her as Batgirl, otherwise they would introduce her as Oracle.

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