Cleric's DC Tournament of Champions, Round 1. Rumble Stumble!

[Cleric of Hell’s Brigade]

Vote on each match/scenario, please, and help defend your position/argue your victory in each one.



Scenario 1:

Team Darth Drizzle 2:
Saturn Girl(Post Crisis)
Supergirl(Nu52)
Orion(Post Crisis)
Kilowog(Post Crisis)
Firestorm(Post Crisis)

vs

KJS Team 1:
Martian Manhunter (Post-Crisis)
Doctor Fate (Post-Crisis Kent Nelson)
Green Lantern (Post-Crisis Kyle Rayner)
The Atom (Post-Crisis Ray Palmer)
Zatanna (Post-Crisis)

Each team is placed on Eternia, of He-Man fame, and replace the heroes there (they are given no information on. They are given three days to prepare before the combined might of Skeletor, King Hiss, Hordak, and other evil doers of that world arrive and attempt to conquer the entire planet with their full mystical and technological might. Whichever team does better holding off the horde, or defeating them entirely, wins.


Scenario 2:

Team The Dork Knight:
Superman (Post-Crisis)
Alan Scott (Post Crisis)
Wally West(post Crisis)
Dr Fate (Hector Hall)
Metron (Post-Crisis)

vs

Team moonknight11:
Post-Crisis Barry Allen
New 52 Red Lantern Guy Gardner
Post Crisis Plastic Man
New 52 Lex Luthor
Wildstorm Mr. Majestic

vs


Team moonknight11 2:
All*Star Superman
Post Crisis Ion Sodam Yat
Post Crisis Maxima
New 52 Captain Comet
Post Crisis Blue Beetle Jaime Reyes

Each team is attacked! Silver Surfer, the Fantastic Four, and Hulk attack them. Their goal is to knock you guys out, not kill you. Whichever team holds up the best, wins.

Scenario 3:

Team Stigmazilla:
Superman (Red Son)
Krypto (Post Crisis)
Circe (post crisis)
Mary Marvel (Post Crisis)
Swamp Thing (Post Crisis)

vs

Team Darth Drizzle 1:
Captain Marvel(Post Crisis)
Ms. Martian(Post Crisis)
Jenny Quantum(Authority)
Karate Kid(Post Crisis)
John Stewart(Post Crisis)

A DBZ Gauntlet! Fat Evil Buu, Dabura, Perfect Cell, Androids 18 and 17, and Freiza (not Golden Form) start tearing things up on Earth (they won't blow it up, they want to conquer it) and your teams are the only ones there to stop them. Whichever team does so easier/lasts longer/wins faster, wins.

Scenario 4:

KJS Team 2:
Batman (Post-Crisis)
Black Alice (Post-Crisis)
Captain Atom (Post-Crisis)
Saint Walker (Post-Crisis)
Green Lantern (Post-Crisis Hal Jordan)

vs

Team The Dork Knight 2:
Superman new 52
Obsidian (post Crisis )
Electric Blue Superman
Dick Grayson (post Crisis)
KC Superman

Savage Lands! Of Marvel fame, the Savage Lands strip mutants of their powers. In this scenario, each team loses all their powers and are operating at baseline human. They must cross the entire Savage lands, from east to west, and make their escape (a ship is waiting for them there). Whomever can avoid the pitfalls and dangers therein quicker/easier, wins.

[The Dork Knight]

Scenario 1:

Team Darth Drizzle 2:
Saturn Girl(Post Crisis)
Supergirl(Nu52)
Orion(Post Crisis)
Kilowog(Post Crisis)
Firestorm(Post Crisis)

vs

KJS Team 1:
Martian Manhunter (Post-Crisis)
Doctor Fate (Post-Crisis Kent Nelson)
Green Lantern (Post-Crisis Kyle Rayner)
The Atom (Post-Crisis Ray Palmer)
Zatanna (Post-Crisis)

Each team is placed on Eternia, of He-Man fame, and replace the heroes there (they are given no information on. They are given three days to prepare before the combined might of Skeletor, King Hiss, Hordak, and other evil doers of that world arrive and attempt to conquer the entire planet with their full mystical and technological might. Whichever team does better holding off the horde, or defeating them entirely, wins.

Hmm.....I'm not too familiar with the He Man crowd. Abstaining for now but leaning towards Team KJS 1 because of the greater firepower of Kyle,Kent and J'onn

In fact what exactly can the He Man crowd do against superspeed TP?

Edit - voting for team KJS

Scenario 2:

Team The Dork Knight:
Superman (Post-Crisis)
Alan Scott (Post Crisis)
Wally West(post Crisis)
Dr Fate (Hector Hall)
Metron (Post-Crisis)

vs

Team moonknight11:
Post-Crisis Barry Allen
New 52 Red Lantern Guy Gardner
Post Crisis Plastic Man
New 52 Lex Luthor
Wildstorm Mr. Majestic

vs


Team moonknight11 2:
All*Star Superman
Post Crisis Ion Sodam Yat
Post Crisis Maxima
New 52 Captain Comet
Post Crisis Blue Beetle Jaime Reyes

Each team is attacked! Silver Surfer, the Fantastic Four, and Hulk attack them. Their goal is to knock you guys out, not kill you. Whichever team holds up the best, wins.

Right. I'd like to highlight the main points of my strategy first before pointing out the disadvantages the other teams face

Firstly, Metron's chair allows him to manipulate time .....on this scale

http://i.imgur.com/ERp8P2G.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dbhQyyF.jpg


....among other feats of casually time travelling, teleporting etc

So it's clear he has the resources to keep up with Surfer once he gets going....

But how will he get going before Surfer strikes? Well,even ignoring statements about the chair about being omnipresent and the ilk, Metron is presented as a super genius so smart he can process "billions of actions in less time than it takes to draw a breath". Swamp Thing was umm....turned into a vegetable by the experience ;p

http://imgur.com/a/CkYqj

Assuming he can't react, there's always that handy chair durable enough to fly through nebulae and right next to solar system sized giants without getting pulped

http://i.imgur.com/6U4wx3E.jpg

If the new 52 version counts (since specific pre 52 events down to the artwork are referenced) then he actually survived one of the crisis waves on his chair and is virtually invulnerable while sitting on it (till he was offed by ...Dr Manhattan probably lol, in any case it would take far greater power than the Surfer possesses to beat Metron)

Even in pre 52 Metron had to consciously lower his durability/remove his "godliness" for humans to be able to hurt him (I think this counts for Metron considering him being aware of all the events by the end of Rock of Ages, having been the one to kickstart the time travel shenaningans in the first place?)

https://s21.postimg.org/5q66t0s5z/JLA_014_pg12.jpg
https://s28.postimg.org/7fg8xz7e5/JLA_014_pg13.jpg

Now of course once he gets going, there are any number of ways he can ruin Surfer's day

One shotting him like he did (a younger) Superman
https://s1.postimg.org/4a740vwa7/pic016.jpg

Shoving him around like he tends to do with planets

http://i.imgur.com/5NeuuGa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/47VzH7u.jpg

Shrinking him down and folding him up in his pocket like a moon sized mother box.....

https://s22.postimg.org/e6puk16n5/Sw..._062_04-23.jpg
https://s15.postimg.org/qekywfbcb/Sw..._062_05-23.jpg

Now we can argue about the power levels and everything but clearly Metron + 4 others is going to be too much for Surfer. Especially when it involves other master time manipulators such as Wally and Alan Scott
http://i.imgur.com/rV6oPSv.jpg
http://imgur.com/a/citw6

And Hector Hall Fate

https://s12.postimg.org/b5a3di0pp/06-17.jpg
https://s13.postimg.org/slq6a6vzr/06-18.jpg
https://s9.postimg.org/h0gjqerbz/06-19.jpg


Which brings us of course to Dr Fate himself. I'm just not seeing how someone who shunts aside the entire JSA (including Alan Scott and Thunderbolt) to go mano-a-mano against Mordru through space, time and other universes before ending up imprisoning Mordru (on a day he's taking down T Bolt inside the 5th dimension) in the Rock of Eternity

http://imgur.com/a/zx4tD#0

(Apologies for exceeding the scan limit, but its nearly 15 years old, and it's a link to the scans on another site anyway)

ultimately all else failing, they are not even looking to kill these guys so Wally can just grab and run long enough for the powerhouses to start acting

Thus the main points are
-Metron can probably react
-If he can't, neither Metron nor Fate is going down with the first blow
-Once they amp up their senses via time shenanigans, it's 3 Surfer level speedsters vs Surfer, two with at least as much firepower
-Wally can simply grab them and run for it, rather than wait for them to be bombarded
-He doesn't need to physically touch them for this
https://s18.postimg.org/8bpghfj95/Un...Scanned-20.jpg
-He can take speed from Superman and become faster than Surfer . Remember voluntary donation of speed doesn't take as long, if the zeptosecond shenanigans in the Human Race are anything to go by
-Superman's not going to be wasted by the first blast either, which means Wally can literally vibrate through the first blast (not trying to kill remember),take the speed and make a run for the powerhouses
- Autoshields, autoshields
-Firepower, firepower

Not factoring in additional measures for FF or Hulk, since FF don't have prep. Literally any member in my team can solo these guys

As for MoonKnight's teams, only Mr Majestic is a threat and I don't think he has time travelled so Surfer pulls the Durok move again to put him down. Or any other from his varied powerset like tp, or transmutation or intangibility or trapping him in his board etc. he doesn't even need to get into a fistfight with someone arguably more physically powerful than him

I vote for team The Dork Knight on this one !

[KJS]

Scenario 1:

Team Darth Drizzle 2:
Saturn Girl(Post Crisis)
Supergirl(Nu52)
Orion(Post Crisis)
Kilowog(Post Crisis)
Firestorm(Post Crisis)

vs

KJS Team 1:
Martian Manhunter (Post-Crisis)
Doctor Fate (Post-Crisis Kent Nelson)
Green Lantern (Post-Crisis Kyle Rayner)
The Atom (Post-Crisis Ray Palmer)
Zatanna (Post-Crisis)

Each team is placed on Eternia, of He-Man fame, and replace the heroes there (they are given no information on. They are given three days to prepare before the combined might of Skeletor, King Hiss, Hordak, and other evil doers of that world arrive and attempt to conquer the entire planet with their full mystical and technological might. Whichever team does better holding off the horde, or defeating them entirely, wins.

In all honesty, Martian Manhunter's telepathy should be enough to win this. He could just mind-control Skeletor, King Hiss and Hordak to turn their forces away. I can't really see anything stopping Zatanna from saying "enola su evaeL" either.

Add that to Kyle and Fate erecting a combined construct/mystical shield and I think it's fairly emphatic.

Scenario 2:

Team The Dork Knight:
Superman (Post-Crisis)
Alan Scott (Post Crisis)
Wally West(post Crisis)
Dr Fate (Hector Hall)
Metron (Post-Crisis)

vs

Team moonknight11:
Post-Crisis Barry Allen
New 52 Red Lantern Guy Gardner
Post Crisis Plastic Man
New 52 Lex Luthor
Wildstorm Mr. Majestic

vs


Team moonknight11 2:
All*Star Superman
Post Crisis Ion Sodam Yat
Post Crisis Maxima
New 52 Captain Comet
Post Crisis Blue Beetle Jaime Reyes

Each team is attacked! Silver Surfer, the Fantastic Four, and Hulk attack them. Their goal is to knock you guys out, not kill you. Whichever team holds up the best, wins.

This is really hard. But a Superman, a Flash, a Green Lantern and a very powerful sorcerer are a formidable combo.

Scenario 3:

Team Stigmazilla:
Superman (Red Son)
Krypto (Post Crisis)
Circe (post crisis)
Mary Marvel (Post Crisis)
Swamp Thing (Post Crisis)

vs

Team Darth Drizzle 1:
Captain Marvel(Post Crisis)
Ms. Martian(Post Crisis)
Jenny Quantum(Authority)
Karate Kid(Post Crisis)
John Stewart(Post Crisis)

A DBZ Gauntlet! Fat Evil Buu, Dabura, Perfect Cell, Androids 18 and 17, and Freiza (not Golden Form) start tearing things up on Earth (they won't blow it up, they want to conquer it) and your teams are the only ones there to stop them. Whichever team does so easier/lasts longer/wins faster, wins.

Ms. Martian almost swayed this with her mind-control, but hers isn't THAT great and there is a lot of resistance in the DBZ group and Swamp Thing is an absolute beast on Earth.

Scenario 4:

KJS Team 2:
Batman (Post-Crisis)
Black Alice (Post-Crisis)
Captain Atom (Post-Crisis)
Saint Walker (Post-Crisis)
Green Lantern (Post-Crisis Hal Jordan)

vs

Team The Dork Knight 2:
Superman new 52
Obsidian (post Crisis )
Electric Blue Superman
Dick Grayson (post Crisis)
KC Superman

Savage Lands! Of Marvel fame, the Savage Lands strip mutants of their powers. In this scenario, each team loses all their powers and are operating at baseline human. They must cross the entire Savage lands, from east to west, and make their escape (a ship is waiting for them there). Whomever can avoid the pitfalls and dangers therein quicker/easier, wins.

Batman! End of argument.

But seriously, Batman is the human. He has no physical disadvantage and his the toughest, most skilled human in the battle. He is superb at operating secretly and going under the radar - the best there is! He could get his team across the Savage Land without even being noticed. With ease.

[Stigmazilla]

[QUOTE=Cleric of Hell's Brigade;2733019]Vote on each match/scenario, please, and help defend your position/argue your victory in each one.



Scenario 1:

Team Darth Drizzle 2:
Saturn Girl(Post Crisis)
Supergirl(Nu52)
Orion(Post Crisis)
Kilowog(Post Crisis)
Firestorm(Post Crisis)

vs

KJS Team 1:
Martian Manhunter (Post-Crisis)
Doctor Fate (Post-Crisis Kent Nelson)
Green Lantern (Post-Crisis Kyle Rayner)
The Atom (Post-Crisis Ray Palmer)
Zatanna (Post-Crisis)

Each team is placed on Eternia, of He-Man fame, and replace the heroes there (they are given no information on. They are given three days to prepare before the combined might of Skeletor, King Hiss, Hordak, and other evil doers of that world arrive and attempt to conquer the entire planet with their full mystical and technological might. Whichever team does better holding off the horde, or defeating them entirely, wins.

Martian Manhunter is pretty hard to beat, and could clinch this for his team

Scenario 2:

Team The Dork Knight:
Superman (Post-Crisis)
Alan Scott (Post Crisis)
Wally West(post Crisis)
Dr Fate (Hector Hall)
Metron (Post-Crisis)

vs

Team moonknight11:
Post-Crisis Barry Allen
New 52 Red Lantern Guy Gardner
Post Crisis Plastic Man
New 52 Lex Luthor
Wildstorm Mr. Majestic

vs


Team moonknight11 2:
All*Star Superman
Post Crisis Ion Sodam Yat
Post Crisis Maxima
New 52 Captain Comet
Post Crisis Blue Beetle Jaime Reyes

Each team is attacked! Silver Surfer, the Fantastic Four, and Hulk attack them. Their goal is to knock you guys out, not kill you. Whichever team holds up the best, wins.

Any of the teams can win, but I am very unsure about who can beat Surfer the fastest. Will wait for further information

Scenario 3:

Team Stigmazilla:
Superman (Red Son)
Krypto (Post Crisis)
Circe (post crisis)
Mary Marvel (Post Crisis)
Swamp Thing (Post Crisis)

vs

Team Darth Drizzle 1:
Captain Marvel(Post Crisis)
Ms. Martian(Post Crisis)
Jenny Quantum(Authority)
Karate Kid(Post Crisis)
John Stewart(Post Crisis)

A DBZ Gauntlet! Fat Evil Buu, Dabura, Perfect Cell, Androids 18 and 17, and Freiza (not Golden Form) start tearing things up on Earth (they won't blow it up, they want to conquer it) and your teams are the only ones there to stop them. Whichever team does so easier/lasts longer/wins faster, wins.

Swamp Thing can wreck through the DBZ crew , and With Supes, Krypto, and Mary's help the enemy TEAM doesn't stand a chance. Circe can transform the entire team into animen that would serve her as well
Scenario 4:

KJS Team 2:
Batman (Post-Crisis)
Black Alice (Post-Crisis)
Captain Atom (Post-Crisis)
Saint Walker (Post-Crisis)
Green Lantern (Post-Crisis Hal Jordan)

vs

Team The Dork Knight 2:
Superman new 52
Obsidian (post Crisis )
Electric Blue Superman
Dick Grayson (post Crisis)
KC Superman

Savage Lands! Of Marvel fame, the Savage Lands strip mutants of their powers. In this scenario, each team loses all their powers and are operating at baseline human. They must cross the entire Savage lands, from east to west, and make their escape (a ship is waiting for them there). Whomever can avoid the pitfalls and dangers therein quicker/easier, wins


Team KJS has Barman, and 2 military men, which should give them the win

[Darth Drizzle]

Scenario 1:

Team Darth Drizzle 2:
Saturn Girl(Post Crisis)
Supergirl(Nu52)
Orion(Post Crisis)
Kilowog(Post Crisis)
Firestorm(Post Crisis)

vs

KJS Team 1:
Martian Manhunter (Post-Crisis)
Doctor Fate (Post-Crisis Kent Nelson)
Green Lantern (Post-Crisis Kyle Rayner)
The Atom (Post-Crisis Ray Palmer)
Zatanna (Post-Crisis)

Each team is placed on Eternia, of He-Man fame, and replace the heroes there (they are given no information on. They are given three days to prepare before the combined might of Skeletor, King Hiss, Hordak, and other evil doers of that world arrive and attempt to conquer the entire planet with their full mystical and technological might. Whichever team does better holding off the horde, or defeating them entirely, wins.

Vote: Between Saturn Girl telepathy which should take out most if not all potent enemies the combined knowledge of weakpoints and analysis by Orions Mother Box and Kilowogs Ring it should be easy for Firestorm to transmute things into whatever is needed given the info.

Scenario 2:

Team The Dork Knight:
Superman (Post-Crisis)
Alan Scott (Post Crisis)
Wally West(post Crisis)
Dr Fate (Hector Hall)
Metron (Post-Crisis)

vs

Team moonknight11:
Post-Crisis Barry Allen
New 52 Red Lantern Guy Gardner
Post Crisis Plastic Man
New 52 Lex Luthor
Wildstorm Mr. Majestic

vs


Team moonknight11 2:
All*Star Superman
Post Crisis Ion Sodam Yat
Post Crisis Maxima
New 52 Captain Comet
Post Crisis Blue Beetle Jaime Reyes

Each team is attacked! Silver Surfer, the Fantastic Four, and Hulk attack them. Their goal is to knock you guys out, not kill you. Whichever team holds up the best, wins.

Vote: I think an All Star Superman and Ion Yat physical rush plus a Maxima mental attack is the best way to try and take them out. Even without a Flash(who is matched by Surfer in speed) the Ion powers and physical might plus Maxima TK and other powers lasts the longest.

Scenario 3:

Team Stigmazilla:
Superman (Red Son)
Krypto (Post Crisis)
Circe (post crisis)
Mary Marvel (Post Crisis)
Swamp Thing (Post Crisis)

vs

Team Darth Drizzle 1:
Captain Marvel(Post Crisis)
Ms. Martian(Post Crisis)
Jenny Quantum(Authority)
Karate Kid(Post Crisis)
John Stewart(Post Crisis)

A DBZ Gauntlet! Fat Evil Buu, Dabura, Perfect Cell, Androids 18 and 17, and Freiza (not Golden Form) start tearing things up on Earth (they won't blow it up, they want to conquer it) and your teams are the only ones there to stop them. Whichever team does so easier/lasts longer/wins faster, wins.

Vote: Captain Marvel runs interference at Fat Buu as GL Stewart goes for Cell. Karate Kid schools an untrained Freeza in hth combat then does the same to Dabura while avoiding his spit. Ms Martian and Jenny go for Androids 17 and 18 to make things even. Captain Marvel can wear out Buu physically and then finish him with a Magic powered Shazam lightning blast(as Buu can be contained and hurt by Magic), and GL Stewart scans for Cells weak spot after seeing him regenerate from injuries then pin point snipes it out of him. Ms Martian uses her phasing and streching powers and ner strength to out power 18, and Jenny turns 17 to something unfightworthy.


Scenario 4:

KJS Team 2:
Batman (Post-Crisis)
Black Alice (Post-Crisis)
Captain Atom (Post-Crisis)
Saint Walker (Post-Crisis)
Green Lantern (Post-Crisis Hal Jordan)

vs

Team The Dork Knight 2:
Superman new 52
Obsidian (post Crisis )
Electric Blue Superman
Dick Grayson (post Crisis)
KC Superman

Savage Lands! Of Marvel fame, the Savage Lands strip mutants of their powers. In this scenario, each team loses all their powers and are operating at baseline human. They must cross the entire Savage lands, from east to west, and make their escape (a ship is waiting for them there). Whomever can avoid the pitfalls and dangers therein quicker/easier, wins.

Vote: This one is close. With multiple Clark Kents being led by Nightwing it seems like a sure fit they could make it. On the other hand you habe Military trained Captain Atom and Hal Jordan being led by Batman. It might come down to how the teams can protect their weaker members like Obsidian and Alice. Will wait to vote on this.

Going with Bat, Hal and the Captain being able to see their whole through the best, both teams were good though.

[The Dork Knight]

Scenario 3:

Team Stigmazilla:
Superman (Red Son)
Krypto (Post Crisis)
Circe (post crisis)
Mary Marvel (Post Crisis)
Swamp Thing (Post Crisis)

vs

Team Darth Drizzle 1:
Captain Marvel(Post Crisis)
Ms. Martian(Post Crisis)
Jenny Quantum(Authority)
Karate Kid(Post Crisis)
John Stewart(Post Crisis)

A DBZ Gauntlet! Fat Evil Buu, Dabura, Perfect Cell, Androids 18 and 17, and Freiza (not Golden Form) start tearing things up on Earth (they won't blow it up, they want to conquer it) and your teams are the only ones there to stop them. Whichever team does so easier/lasts longer/wins faster, wins.

Going for Team Stigmazilla because Swampy is hard to put down but I would like to see some feats for Jenny Quantum who is a reality warper from what I understand

Scenario 4:

KJS Team 2:
Batman (Post-Crisis)
Black Alice (Post-Crisis)
Captain Atom (Post-Crisis)
Saint Walker (Post-Crisis)
Green Lantern (Post-Crisis Hal Jordan)

vs

Team The Dork Knight 2:
Superman new 52
Obsidian (post Crisis )
Electric Blue Superman
Dick Grayson (post Crisis)
KC Superman

Savage Lands! Of Marvel fame, the Savage Lands strip mutants of their powers. In this scenario, each team loses all their powers and are operating at baseline human. They must cross the entire Savage lands, from east to west, and make their escape (a ship is waiting for them there). Whomever can avoid the pitfalls and dangers therein quicker/easier, wins.

Ok the first thing here is Batman....and the issues he's going to have with Hal Jordan. These two are combustible to say the least. How long before we have another one of these moments?

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress...hes-batman.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress...l-jordan-2.jpg

Meanwhile Dick and Superman have always had a favourite uncle-nephew kind of relationship, heck he got the Nightwing moniker from Supes in his official post crisis origin after they abandoned the Judas Contract origin

https://s29.postimg.org/er591awbb/001_16.jpg
https://s23.postimg.org/5w5xbdy0r/001_17.jpg
https://s30.postimg.org/6ub9gpvr5/001_18.jpg

Even when they argue they settle with a smile as opposed to Hal weeping about Bruce in a graveyard after he's dead

https://s7.postimg.org/tuto033vv/sup...man_076023.jpg
https://s22.postimg.org/d0cumi6nl/su...man_076024.jpg

Let's not forget what Bruce said about Hal after Final Night

https://s23.postimg.org/8dqcwoyqz/25...rald-23-21.jpg

And yes that's been kinda retconned but not Bruce's distrust/issues with Hal, even after Johns took over

While Batman is no doubt better than Nightwing when it comes to physicals or intellect, Grayson's pushing peak human endurance himself

http://i.imgur.com/gmISdjZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rH2FCFm.jpg

And post crisis Clark (himself explicitly trained by Batman) is arguably the most skilled dude here this side of the peak humans. And new 52 Supes isn't half bad either (see the fight vs Wraith). Obsidian is a bit of an issue but KC Supes shouldn't be a problem

Ultimately though I doubt physical stats are going to matter that much with the two teams roughly evenly matched

For me, it comes down to co-ordination. In which case I'm putting my money on the two best "leaders" in post crisis DC - Dick and Clark, Dick having led multiple teams successfully (Titans, Outsiders, JLA) and generally getting along with just about anybody even ....Damian, who even Bruce has trouble controlling

On the other side are two guys (Hal and Bruce) who canonically have issues, and ego clashes

Batman also being the dude who generally doesnt work well in teams, tending to spy the **** out of them leading to issues later

So basically the main points are
-Grayson and Clark are the biggest "leader" types of post crisis DC
-All the members should get along in my team(Obsidian tends to be pretty docile without powers)
-Batman and Hal have a history of ego clashes
-Batman has a history of not doing well in teams,usually getting into fights with teammates at least ONCE
-All physical factors are roughly equal, I could provide more feats if necessary
-So this comes down to co-ordination, in which case my team wins
-Black Alice is a teenage girl .....I'm cringing going there but....at this age girls have...the time of the month.....could slow them down in a trek through a land of monsters. She's also not a fully grown adult unlike everyone else, she'll be slower and weaker anyway (I suppose Batman can just carry her all the way, but this will also if only slightly, slow them down)

(PS I think both teams get through intact, mine just does it faster due to better leaders and teamwork)

[The Dork Knight]

Any of the teams can win, but I am very unsure about who can beat Surfer the fastest. Will wait for further information

How so? I don't see anyone on this team who can react to Surfer

Team moonknight11 2:
All*Star Superman
Post Crisis Ion Sodam Yat
Post Crisis Maxima
New 52 Captain Comet
Post Crisis Blue Beetle Jaime Reyes

As for this team

Team moonknight11:
Post-Crisis Barry Allen
New 52 Red Lantern Guy Gardner
Post Crisis Plastic Man
New 52 Lex Luthor
Wildstorm Mr. Majestic

Mr majestic is the only one who matters since Barry is not Wally, can't fly and iirc can't steal or donate speed either . Nor does he have good IMP feats, Surfer can just nail (both of them) with TP or his "calmness" aura in a prolonged fight

Or simply put they lack the versatility or firepower to beat Surfer. How can they beat him? I'd like a few examples

Surfer is one of the most powerful characters in all of comics.And certainly one of the most versatile. I think it's telling that even with people who are more powerful than 5 D imps and others who shrink moon sized objects into their pockets you STILL need Wally + Kal's speed to even the odds

[KJS]

Batman and Hal Jordan have managed to get along considerably more than they have not. And there is usually a reason when they don't. There is no reason here. And that particular example with the punch - terrible writing from a man who famously does Batman a disservice the majority of the time, by virtue of the fact that he doesn't like the character.

Also, Black Alice - like 99% of teenage heroes and villains in comic books - has never displayed anything other than the typical comic book peak conditioning that we've come to expect. She'd certainly be no slower than someone like Obsidian or anybody else who suddenly finds themselves a lot weaker and slower than they would normally be after a depowering. If anything, she is one of the characters at any advantage due to being at her normal functioning levels.

And I find it VERY weird to add in the fact that she might be on her period? Really? Has that EVER been a thing in comics? Assuming it was "real life", there's only a 1 in 4 chance that would be the case. But it's no more likely here than me trying to argue that all five members of your team have the flu, are suffering from debilitating heartburn and indigestion, and/or got out of bed that morning with a "I can't be bothered with heroing today" attitude.

If anything, this being the first time these characters have teamed up, the three Supermen from different timelines coming together for the first time would probably have a good hour's chat about why the hell there are three of them, which would undoubtedly slow them down.

Batman is BY FAR the best-equipped individual to help his team go unnoticed and survive this (especially given that it says nothing about not having standard equipment).

I'm genuinely really creeped out by that menstruation argument.

[The Dork Knight]

That's only an argument because I assume it will take a while to traverse the place. Admittedly thats probably a bit too much real life logic there.....

The difference between one of the characters catching the flu and Alice being inconvenienced is one of these is "PIS" while the other is bound to happen over a period of time, though yes I can't think of any examples from mainstream comics so best ignore this before it becomes too weird lol

With the exception of KC Superman, the most experienced dude here hero-ing wise, everyone else in the team has already been depowered at some point

As for Black Alice's age not showing...maybe? But again, in comics they do use the "younger, even trained fighter struggles compared to adults" trope, notably in the case of Robins.

I don't think Batman signifiacantly outstrips Grayson when it comes to "unnoticed", Dick actually having snuck up on him and used the disappearing trick on him. If it's "standard equipment" it actually helps my team more since even if one of the weaker members get caught they'll be wearing Nightwing's "powerful enough to KO a gorilla with a charge" suit

Batman's suit doesn't have the feature

Superman's met KC Supes before annnnd he's "met" his new 52 self

Final Night was not written by Johns, Batman's distrust of Hal's been a thing since like zero hour....Batman was hating on him most of the time he was Spectre

[Cleric of Hell’s Brigade]

Voting ends tonight.

[Cleric of Hell’s Brigade]

Voting is over.

Match 1.

Darth Drizzle 2 = 1 vote vs KJS1 = 3 votes.


Match 2:

Dork Knight 1 = 2 votes vs Moonknight11 1 = 0 votes vs Moonknight11 2 = 1 vote.


Match 3:

Stigmazilla = 3 votes vs Darth Drizzle 1 = 1 vote.


Match 4:

KJS 2 = 3 votes vs Dork Knight 2 = 1 vote.


Round two shall begin shortly. Remember, it's first team to four wins, so no one is eliminated.