X-Men: Dark Phoenix Movie Speculation and News

[Xelossik]

The reality is that the X-Men should be their own distinct line of comics with their own separate universe.

Logically, this extends to the movies well.

Why isn't Cap spending every waking minute thinking about bringing liberty to mutants? Because his book isn't about mutants and their plight shouldn't be in his world.

The rights separation was a nigh-unquestionable godsend.
It was great while it lasted.

x-men would be so shallow then... what we have in comics is better.

marvel universe is very similar to our world (except having super heroes). Mutants have civil rights. Cap America or any other super hero doesn't need to fight for their rights.

X-men have dozens incredibly rich members. X-men were many times on tv and they still have their money. They can still vote.

[yogaflame]

x-men would be so shallow then... what we have in comics is better.

marvel universe is very similar to our world (except having super heroes). Mutants have civil rights. Cap America or any other super hero doesn't need to fight for their rights.

I agree. That's like saying all Black people should be in their own separate universe. Or all gay people. Mutants have been a part of the wider Marvel Universe from the beginning. Spider-Man doesn't always save the FF's butts, and the Avengers don't always save the X-Men, but sometimes they do. Everyone has their own lives, their own priorities, but we all share the same world. It's the richness and multiplicity of the various characters that creates the Marvel tapestry. Keeping the mutants in their own ghetto is not something to be aspired towards.

[Divine Spark]

Cap is doing something about mutants.

[Darkspellmaster]

In my recollection posters were also very fond of Naked Blue Girl.

Yeah, but with a group shot. Not solo on the posters

[Confuzzled]

Yeah, but with a group shot. Not solo on the posters

I remember almost the entire cast of major characters having solo posters for the original trilogy too.

[Confuzzled]

The reality is that the X-Men should be their own distinct line of comics with their own separate universe.

Logically, this extends to the movies well.

Why isn't Cap spending every waking minute thinking about bringing liberty to mutants? Because his book isn't about mutants and their plight shouldn't be in his world.

The rights separation was a nigh-unquestionable godsend.
It was great while it lasted.

A reminder that Ferguson and the other acts of police brutality against members of the African-American community happened during the Obama Presidency too. Which actually made it more disturbing and scarier in a way.

I agree. That's like saying all Black people should be in their own separate universe. Or all gay people. Mutants have been a part of the wider Marvel Universe from the beginning. Spider-Man doesn't always save the FF's butts, and the Avengers don't always save the X-Men, but sometimes they do. Everyone has their own lives, their own priorities, but we all share the same world. It's the richness and multiplicity of the various characters that creates the Marvel tapestry. Keeping the mutants in their own ghetto is not something to be aspired towards.

On paper it sounds fascinating but look at the approach Marvel actually takes to it. Quesada and co. whined about "Too many supers/mutants", constantly editorial and creators throw out the lol excuse of "But why are only mutants targeted in a world with Avengers, aliens etc." (bish it was never about the powers, it was always about the race). And then we get something as atrocious and insulting as AvX which makes you sympathise with the take that maybe mutants are better off in their own separate universe after all.

It's easier said than done, especially as the MCU has skewed towards being very apolitical. Even the most political themed MCU movies like Winter Soldier and Civil War handled non-partisan issues. The politics of the X-Men are as leftist as you can get. Are Disney and Feige ready to tackle heavy mutant themes?

[yogaflame]

Are Disney and Feige ready to tackle heavy mutant themes?

I agree it's a good question, but I will never forget when I first heard Winter Soldier drop that "Project Paperclip" knowledge. That's more real and more disturbing than anything Fox has done in their films. And it is beyond partisan politics. Republicans and Democrats, the left and the right, play this game together. That whole film centered around the government(and furthermore, a shadow government...) spying on people, making lists of certain people of interest, and building an array of weaponry that would be capable of taking them out from the sky. I mean, that's right up there with mutant registration and Sentinels.

Civil War pushed it even further with the Accords(basically the Mutant Registration Act) and you had Captain America defy the wishes of the US government and the entire UN and break his team out of the Raft at the end of the movie. So, it's not that the MCU has avoided sticky political situations entirely. Remember, the whole thing started with Iron Man and the military industrial complex. And as we can imagine based on Tony's future visions in Avengers 2 and what looks to be happening in A3/4, the MCU is getting darker.

Yes, the comics have been pretty horrible since the end of Morrison's run, and yes, there are some interesting power players behind the scenes that make it all very strange, but that goes for the entirety of the medium and Marvel specifically. Remember it all started with Timely Comics, and who was their first big player? WW2 propaganda piece Captain America.

So, if you wish to condemn modern comics, or Disney and the MCU, you must also examine the whole medium of comics, and Hollywood as a whole, and the government as a whole, not just since the early 00's, but since the beginnings. And no, it's not a pretty picture when you do that, but, that's where we are.

[Punisher007]

CW ended up mostly being about the personal conflicts between Steve, Bucky, and Tony in the end though. The political stuff, was just window-dressing in the end (and the subsequent MCU films haven't really touched on the fallout at all).

[yogaflame]

CW ended up mostly being about the personal conflicts between Steve, Bucky, and Tony in the end though. The political stuff, was just window-dressing in the end (and the subsequent MCU films haven't really touched on the fallout at all).

The same could be said of the modern Fox-Men films (just a personal conflict/love affair between Charles, Erik, and I guess Raven). Everything else is just window dressing. Did they address the consequences of Charles loosing control of his powers in Cerebro(again) and disarming the entire world? Did they address the fallout of Magneto almost destroying the whole planet? No, it just ended with Charles and Erik smiling at each other and Mystique trying to be cool in front of a bunch of kids in horrible costumes.

[Divine Spark]

The same could be said of the modern Fox-Men films (just a personal conflict/love affair between Charles, Erik, and I guess Raven). Everything else is just window dressing. Did they address the consequences of Charles loosing control of his powers in Cerebro(again) and disarming the entire world? Did they address the fallout of Magneto almost destroying the whole planet? No, it just ended with Charles and Erik smiling at each other and Mystique trying to be cool in front of a bunch of kids in horrible costumes.

Actually, they did beliefly mention it in the end.

[Jokerz79]

Both the MCU and Foxverse are equal when it comes to not making big deals of the previous films events. They'll mention them but we rarely see any difference in the larger outside world and his it has changed because of them. Truth Gifted now and AoS and the Netflix shows are better at showing the aftermath and that's not surprising given the have multiple episodes to tell their stories and can spend more time world building compared to 2 hour long films.

[yogaflame]

Actually, they did beliefly mention it in the end.

Such thorough political commentary is what the Fox-Men films are known for....

Forced disarmament of all the countries in the world during the height of the Cold War warrants more than a pan shot of a news ticker....

[Disciple of Redd]

That comment about blacks in an alternate universe was idiotic and lame for its hyperbole.

Having the X-Men in a world without the existence of unrelated super characters that call the entire overarching theme into question only makes sense and has nothing in common with the idea that a minority population should just leave to a different world.

In this hypothetical situation of the X-Men as their own separate brand, the story of the X-Men, the allegorical reasoning behind it, and yes, black people (again, what a dumb comment), could still conceivably exist, absent the irrelevant Avengers/shield/Inhumans/etc unrelated junk that begs the question and has always begged the question: "why would these ancillary hero characters not be helping at all times?"

[WallStreeter]

That comment about blacks in an alternate universe was idiotic and lame for its hyperbole.

Having the X-Men in a world without the existence of unrelated super characters that call the entire overarching theme into question only makes sense and has nothing in common with the idea that a minority population should just leave to a different world.

In this hypothetical situation of the X-Men as their own separate brand, the story of the X-Men, the allegorical reasoning behind it, and yes, black people (again, what a dumb comment), could still conceivably exist, absent the irrelevant Avengers/shield/Inhumans/etc unrelated junk that begs the question and has always begged the question: "why would these ancillary hero characters not be helping at all times?"

Heroes Reborn tried to separate the X-Men and the "heroes" into separate worlds. It doesn't work.

Several X-Men have been long standing Avengers (Rogue, Beast, Wolverine). Magneto is the father of the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, along with Polaris.

Magik is a sorceress. She has ties to Dr. Strange.

The Phoenix is a cosmic entity known and feared throughout Marvel Universe.

Storm is the Queen of Wakanda.

Making the X-Men entirely about mutant persecution would SUCK. The X-Men really took off in the late 70s and 80s when Claremont put in the cosmic and the magical elements, and had them do things like fight vampires, sorcerers, aliens, and gods.

Part of the problem is once the X-Men let loose, humans can't stop them and neither can sentinels really.

They need other, more powerful foes. Which have been the Inhumans and the Avengers, which have been gods and aliens, etc.

[Disciple of Redd]

Heroes Reborn tried to separate the X-Men and the "heroes" into separate worlds. It doesn't work.

Several X-Men have been long standing Avengers (Rogue, Beast, Wolverine). Magneto is the father of the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, along with Polaris.

Magik is a sorceress. She has ties to Dr. Strange.

The Phoenix is a cosmic entity known and feared throughout Marvel Universe.

Storm is the Queen of Wakanda.

Making the X-Men entirely about mutant persecution would SUCK. The X-Men really took off in the late 70s and 80s when Claremont put in the cosmic and the magical elements, and had them do things like fight vampires, sorcerers, aliens, and gods.

Part of the problem is once the X-Men let loose, humans can't stop them and neither can sentinels really.

They need other, more powerful foes. Which have been the Inhumans and the Avengers, which have been gods and aliens, etc.

Everything you mentioned could be accomplished via X-Men stories, tbh. Doctor strange didn't give Illyana her magic, the Phoenix isn't dependent on Captain America or whoever for its existence, Storm had been to African and been seen as a goddess long before Marvel stumbled onto the realization that she and BP are both black, etc.

The Shiar and all the other stuff that the X-Men brought could still be there.