Things you never want to see in a Batman comic ever again

[Pohzee]

Of course not. But tapping into the past works works very well for doing both at once.

But doing it often is lazy and repetitive. No other creative team reuses their plots as often as Snyder and Tynion.

Their retcons also often rewrite, modify, or undo the well-liked work of other authors and the character's defined history for an easy storytelling shortcut.

[Caivu]

But doing it often is lazy and repetitive. No other creative team reuses their plots as often as Snyder and Tynion.

I don't agree.

Their retcons also often rewrite, modify, or undo the well-liked work of other authors and the character's defined history for an easy storytelling shortcut.

What have they actually rewritten or undone, apart from Year One? Any other type of retcon is fair game as long as it's additive and not contradictory.

[Assam]

You can always re-read his first year of publication.

Ooh! Gonna need a senzu bean for that burn.

This is true though. Batman: The dark loner...only existed for a year. Dick has been around pretty much as long as him.

[Assam]

What have they actually rewritten or undone, apart from Year One? Any other type of retcon is fair game as long as it's additive and not contradictory.

I freely admit to not knowing Dick or Kate's ENTIRE histories, so don't know if the Court and Colony stuff contradicted anything, but...Cass's origin. The original was perfect, the Nu one is ****, and its not in my personal canon.

[Pohzee]

I don't agree.



What have they actually rewritten or undone, apart from Year One? Any other type of retcon is fair game as long as it's additive and not contradictory.

Things like Haley's Circus being an arm of the Court of Owls and Kate's father encouraging her to be Batwoman heavily modifies their backgrounds. We've had this discussion before. Orphan's reworked origin with Mother also changes her history for the worse, more so than Dick or Kate.

I'm fine with flashback stories meant to expand and elaborate upon the past. I'm quite excited for the War of Jokes and my preferred era of stories are earlied in Batman's career from Year One through Dick's tenure as Robin. The difference is that these stories aren't meant to modify the character's history, they are meant to flesh out that era of Batman's career.

Snyder and Tynion insert these threats into the characters' pasts not to flesh out their history, but because it is a quick and easy way to establish and substanciate it as a present day threat. It's a cheap shortcut to produce a new threat rather than develop it.

And while I oppose this technique that I see a a cheap trick, what truly makes it worse it the frequency at which Snyder and Tynion reuse this plot.

[Buried Alien]

The origin story and its associated imagery really do need a long, long rest.

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[Caivu]

I'm fine with flashback stories meant to expand and elaborate upon the past. I'm quite excited for the War of Jokes and my preferred era of stories are earlied in Batman's career from Year One through Dick's tenure as Robin. The difference is that these stories aren't meant to modify the character's history, they are meant to flesh out that era of Batman's career.

That's... exactly what they're doing or did.

Snyder and Tynion insert these threats into the characters' pasts not to flesh out their history, but because it is a quick and easy way to establish and substanciate it as a present day threat. It's a cheap shortcut to produce a new threat rather than develop it.

You develop a threat by having it be threat. That's it. It doesn't matter how that's accomplished.

And yes, those additions do flesh out a character's history. Those added bits don't exist in isolation, they recontextualize some events, enhance others, etc.

[Coal Tiger]

I could do without seeing the Wayne's getting killed. In any medium. Ever again.

[MajorHoy]

Repetitive dialogue in King's Batman.

Dialogue being repeated in King's Batman.

[Frontier]

You can always re-read his first year of publication.

Or several outside media with a practically solo Batman.

[sakuyamons]

Repetitive dialogue in King's Batman.

Dialogue being repeated in King's Batman.

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[Buried Alien]

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There was a late Chinese wuxia (ancient martial arts adventure) novelist named Gu Long who wrote dialogue in this manner too.

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[Frontier]

I'd settle for Dini writing Joker again, but barring that, the Joker not appearing for a long, long time. Like after TKJ/Death in the Family.

But yes, murdering huge groups of people doesn't work at all for me. I'd prefer Zsasz if you're going pure evil.

I'd prefer Joker just...not kill people for like a whole year. Build him up as a threat and Rogue again without making him a generic clown serial killer and bring back his flamboyance and fun.

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This reminds me...

Bruce and Selina referring to each other exclusively as "Bat" and "Cat" ad nauseam.

[Assam]

Bruce and Selina referring to each other exclusively as "Bat" and "Cat" ad nauseam.

This REALLY does feel like dialogue Frank Miller would right.

[Atlanta96]

Can they just stop adding new characters to the Bat-books period? If they want a new ally do what they did with Clayface and redeem a villain. If they want a new villain turn Duke or Harper evil. No original characters required.