COMBINING THE BIGBADITUDE OF THANOS WITH CHEETAH'S FEROCITY, IS JANUS WONDER WOMAN'S GREATEST SUPERVILLAIN?...on WONDABUNGA!!! Look alive, Kangaliers!
Thank you!
As for the comment referring to Cale leaving Wonder Woman's world (sorry, I'm not sure how to multi quote yet), after all the years she spent secretly plotting against Diana, I'm not so sure it'll be easy for Cale to leave. I mean after a while a person stops doing evil things because they have to, and they start doing evil things because they want to. Dr. Cyber is still also dead because of how Diana's arrival affected Cale's life. Although Cale has her daughter back now, she still lost years with Izzy as a result of Diana, and she lost the crucial years of Izzy's childhood. She can never get those back. I think the foundation for Cale to stay in Diana's life as a rogue is still quite strong and I would love to see it continue.
I have read the Simarillion, but I was referring to how they both always... when they did appear, wore armor that hid everything.
And this is where I would ask... why are they only 'attractive' when they look like they spend the day strutting down a catwalk in Milan?
I mean, take into account that nearly every male hero or villain in comics can present a 6-pack... isn't it really only the residents of Arkham who really look ugly? Is Zod, for example, an ugly dude? Is the First Born (if he'd stop scowling)? I'd very much argue Lex Luthor definitely is not.
I think Vandal Savage would be considered handsome.
then you have guys like Lobo who go for the "rugged" look, but it's simply a different type of handsome.
I really liked Cheetah in Year One but I don't like her much anymore the emotion and relationship between her and diana feels kind of forced I think I'd rather she just be a straight up villain because i can't enjoy that about her since she's getting mistreated all the time.
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Nothing is perfect just because i complain about some things about an issue/run doesn't mean its not doing a good job in other ways. The point of him building this foundation was to let us remember who the main villains/cast are. Other writers are going to write the characters differently no matter how much we like or dislike the way he writes a character thats how comics have always worked.
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I can't speak to that, since I neither said it nor think it. But then I have eclectic tastes - I thought Roger, formerly Porcupine, as recently presented in Spider-Woman, was very cute - a "bear," in the modern parlance - and I was a little disappointed to find out that he wasn't gay. (He's Jessica's boyfriend now.)
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I agree on Savage, of the later periods where he appears in grand ball rooms and such... not quite sure about the Demon Knights Savage however since that seemed to be more about his boasting and rugged charms that made him attractive, since he otherwise looked like a brigand, which he also was.
Lobo... I don't think I would use the word handsome for him, likewise I think the ladies he does attract are of a certain taste, plus I can't imagine Lobo has anything less than a powerful odor around him considering how many cigars he smokes and how many times he wakes up with a hangover in a backalley somewhere before heading back to the bar. But then again, I suspect that when Giffen took over and made Lobo what he is now, he took a very long look at Lemmy Kilmister, who also had a very personal dress sense, facial warts, could drink a bottle of Jack D a night between gigs, smoked, had a condition that meant he mumbled a lot when he was just having a normal conversation... and somehow still managed to attract more women than just about any other musician.
There's attractive (Zod and Luthor would apply... the First Born is absolutely not attractive IMO) and then there's sexy. The majority of female villains fall on the sexy spectrum because femme fatales are a straight man's fantasy. There are very few male villains who are actually sexy, villains who use their sex appeal to enhance their manipulation and deception. Ares in this comic is depicted very sexually – nude and in chains, and yeah, he's drawn muscular but not overly so. The last shot of Ares is something that you really don't see with male characters in comics.
Exactly. I've never read a "perfect" comic run by any creator but as long as the creator injects more good than bad into a run, that's the important thing for me. Here's a short list of past Wonder Woman writers who I feel have injected more good than bad into the Wonder-mythos:
Jimenez - Trevor Barnes was the glaring scar of this run but otherwise this run is my favorite of all time.
Heinberg - Short but sweet. He brought back so many cool Wonder-rogues and updated them for the times.
Simone - While I didn't care for the last half of her run, there wasn't anything destructive to the Wonder-mythos about it.
Finch - I hated her versions of Donna Troy, Aegeus, and Dr. Poison but still the run offered more good than bad IMO especially given the mess she was left with.
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I liked Trevor, but just not as Diana's boyfriend but yeah I agree with you there. Rucka's first run is my second favorite and I'd say that Cale was the weak part of his run while on this one she got real character development. Hell, I'm sure even in the Perez run you could find things that people didn't like.
Other than Poison not doing much, I like the Rogues gallery a lot imo.
You are being very unprecise about what good most of these actually did
I have to say that the femme fatale types of characters who are sexy are usually that because they compensate for their lack of physical power contra that of their opponent (ala Catwoman) or because it simply amuses them or suits their wiles (like Circe and Poison Ivy). (And ofc in comics there is the general issue of why female heroes and villains choose the skimpiest and often impractical outfits).
By contrast I think we don't see men in this position often because we blokes tend to be primitive enough to think that if we are outmatched, then we can just try and brute force our way out if we dont just curl up and hope it wont be so bad. And perhaps this whats most jarring of all, that this is the God of War... he's the prototypical man who thinks everything can be sorted out by breaking things. So it's the wrong character thats doing this... like Zeus being depicted as terrified of women.
And I don't know, but while I know depiction of female and male heroes and villains often cater to the male fantasy... the women are sexy and the men are powerful. If this was to be sorted and balanced out, wouldn't it be more ideal for comics to start depicting characters (male and female) with more natural but varied body types rather than well... this?
Reminds me this is kinda why I took a liking to Aleka, she wasn't part of the normal comicbook beauty ideal in that she was a huge bruiser who definitely seemed to know how to intimidate simply with her size (I'd definitely be more worried about her than I would Big Barda). Io now has some of those same qualities when Sharp draws her with those massive arms of hers, but unlike Aleka I currently don't see Io as a potential villain. (I remember that way back in the day I speculated that Aleka could have been a reimagined Giganta.)