MCU Earth vs. MCU Avengers

[NK1988]

So I just saw Captain America: Civil War for the first time. All I could think of while the debate about the Accords was going on was "it sure is lucky that a lot of the Avengers are complying with this." It was a directive, an uncompromising order, that had no room for debate. You were either in or out.

This...is kinda dumb given the level of power these people are dealing with. You don't bully someone you can't actually bully. You don't pass laws you can't enforce. Ross owes everything to Stark being all guilt-ridden because in the course of blowing up a whole country he accidentally killed one person.

But I got to thinking.... what if it came down to it? Everyone says Ross will turn on Tony and Thunderbolt Ross is not known for being the nicest of gentlemen. What if it does ultimately come down to the UN and the "normies" vs. the Avengers? Could our heroes be taken out?

From what I've seen,they're no DCEU Superman. No nuke surviving, superspeed flight guys here. A lot of the Avengers you could just drown in mook bodies or take out with a tactical missile strike. The only threats are Tony,Thor, Scarlet Witch (maybe) and Hulk, ifwe include him.

[KJS]

You haven't included Vision, who is arguably the biggest threat.

[Twickster]

Vision is the biggest threat.

Also a bloodlusted Tony Stark/Jarvis hacking the world's nuclear arsenal. Because Age of Ultron shows he can totally do that, only chooses not to.

Also, your initial premise is flawed. Not everyone follows the laws just for the sake of avoiding punishment. Sometimes it really is a matter of people following laws because they believe in them and/or the imagined societal construct. If everyone followed society's mandates just for the sake of avoiding punishment, society would collapse.

[NK1988]

Vision is the biggest threat.

Also a bloodlusted Tony Stark/Jarvis hacking the world's nuclear arsenal. Because Age of Ultron shows he can totally do that, only chooses not to.

Also, your initial premise is flawed. Not everyone follows the laws just for the sake of avoiding punishment. Sometimes it really is a matter of people following laws because they believe in them and/or the imagined societal construct. If everyone followed society's mandates just for the sake of avoiding punishment, society would collapse.

That's a whole other issue than I was getting at. I was merely pointing out you want to negotiate with the superhumans, not try to threaten them, which is what Ross was doing

Good point about Tony and the nukes though, I forgot about that.

[Darth Drizzle]

Assuming that Iron Man/Vision cant handle all of the Earths nukes at once(like Dr M in Watchmman) AND they were all sitting in Avengers base the Earth could send them all at the base and HOPE the Avengers couldnt deactivate them all in time and the ones that get through are enough. If not then no guided missles will work, and only non computerized planes/jets dropping dead bombs will have any effect.

Ground wise Hulk and Thor facing hundreds of Tanks/Light Armor Vehicles from all countries of the World may work if the thousands of soldiers can attack them without allowing the duo to flee.

Also Marvel Earth has things like SHEILD tech, and alien Artifacts that can help out(along with other Super people like Sky/Vibe).

[big_adventure]

Assuming that Iron Man/Vision cant handle all of the Earths nukes at once(like Dr M in Watchmman) AND they were all sitting in Avengers base the Earth could send them all at the base and HOPE the Avengers couldnt deactivate them all in time and the ones that get through are enough. If not then no guided missles will work, and only non computerized planes/jets dropping dead bombs will have any effect.

Ground wise Hulk and Thor facing hundreds of Tanks/Light Armor Vehicles from all countries of the World may work if the thousands of soldiers can attack them without allowing the duo to flee.

Also Marvel Earth has things like SHEILD tech, and alien Artifacts that can help out(along with other Super people like Sky/Vibe).

Maybe, but seriously, there is simply no reason for Thor or Tony to sit still and let them come at them. Thor himself can simply fly away just show up in Washington or Moscow or wherever and pop some lighting and Jotunheim blasts and wreck everything, then fly off. He can't really be tracked traced or followed, and he has feats for ignoring anything less than a nuke - see punches from Hulk and Kurse. And nukes take time and effort to aim and fire. If he isn't an idiot, they simply can't stop him. He can land in the middle of an armored division at high mach speeds, uncork a few shots easily capable of wrecking everything, then fly off. Nothing in the arsenal is stopping that.

Tony, as mentioned, simply needs to duck, cover and hack everything around him.

And Vision, man, there is nothing they can do to him. Even if they can hurt his body (doubtful, it's vibranium, which in MCU terms is Cap's shield), he can simply phase and then shoot shit at will.

Armies and such are simply not cut out for dealing with massively superhuman individuals. Granted, MCU tech is way past real tech, but most of the good stuff comes from Stark, and Stark's best stuff is reserved for, you know, Stark.

[Beadle]

SHIELD has several Inhumans and Director Mace's serum and it's obviously worth noting that Dr Strange and the Defenders aren't Avengers. Maybe Ghost Rider's also considered a SHIELD asset....?

[Guy1]

He can't really be tracked traced or followed, and he has feats for ignoring anything less than a nuke - see punches from Hulk and Kurse.

Actually, Kurse was wrecking Thor and he was clearly being hurt when fighting Hulk.

[Guy1]

EDIT: NVM This...

[Carabas]

Assuming that Iron Man/Vision cant handle all of the Earths nukes at once(like Dr M in Watchmman) AND they were all sitting in Avengers base the Earth could send them all at the base and HOPE the Avengers couldnt deactivate them all in time and the ones that get through are enough. If not then no guided missles will work, and only non computerized planes/jets dropping dead bombs will have any effect.

Massive use of nukes may or may not result in dead Avengers. What is sure is that it will result in no more USA even if your first hit lands and kills every single last Avengers before they can counterattack.

[big_adventure]

Actually, Kurse was wrecking Thor and he was clearly being hurt when fighting Hulk.

Of course, I wasn't implying that he was ignoring that stuff, just that it didn't turn him to jelly. And that - plus extensive other stuff (fighting Malekith and such) puts him way out of the range of any practical weapons' harming him. Could a nuke or a moab do something to him? Probably? Does he have any reason to stand there and let it come? Definitely not.

[Marvel-Studios Rep]

Yo-yo equipped with Diamond back's gun solos everyone but Thor/hulk/vision/pather.
Yo-yo equipped with the tech that was made by Stark in Peggy Carter's show solos the rest. It was different tech, since this one was asgardian, but Kurse went down to a similar thing.
Ghost-rider or Dr. strange with the dark hold +prep clean up if needed.

[Carabas]

Yo-yo equipped with Diamond back's gun solos everyone but Thor/hulk/vision/pather.
Yo-yo equipped with the tech that was made by Stark in Peggy Carter's show solos the rest. It was different tech, since this one was asgardian, but Kurse went down to a similar thing.
Ghost-rider or Dr. strange with the dark hold +prep clean up if needed.

I think it is taken as granted that supers are going to be on the Avenger's side.

[Twickster]

Yo-yo equipped with Diamond back's gun solos everyone but Thor/hulk/vision/pather.
Yo-yo equipped with the tech that was made by Stark in Peggy Carter's show solos the rest. It was different tech, since this one was asgardian, but Kurse went down to a similar thing.
Ghost-rider or Dr. strange with the dark hold +prep clean up if needed.

Actually, the most powerful (non-Infinity Stone) weapon in the MCU is Yellowjacket's shrink gun. Which *will* in fact one-shot Thor/hulk/vision/pather, and anything else composed of molecules.

[The Watcher]

Actually, the most powerful (non-Infinity Stone) weapon in the MCU is Yellowjacket's shrink gun. Which *will* in fact one-shot Thor/hulk/vision/pather, and anything else composed of molecules.

Maybe not Vision if he's phased. It hasn't demonstrated the ability to affect matter in an intangible state. Also, only regular organic creatures died due to the stress of being shrank by it. Vision's android status and vibranium composition might just leave him small and alive. And just as strong as he is at normal size, making him even more dangerous.