Wonder Woman Movie Discussion & SPOILERS

[Phoenixx9]

People, people.

Let us live by Diana's core values in Peace and Harmony! After all, we are all her fans. We can get along.

[dianafan1985]

People, people.

Let us live by Diana's core values in Peace and Harmony! After all, we are all her fans. We can get along.

LOLL, I honestly am scratching my head and laughing hysterically about how anybody could get offended by my comments regarding Diana's power of flight being nerfed. Regardless of her power of flight being nerfed, the movie is still awesome (which is what I have been saying for the past two weeks), and how happy I am that her movie is so sucessful. I really have no idea why this guy is trying to insert me into an argument.

[Black Angel]

We're dealing with myth mixed in comic books, so it's just not the same.

Obviously

This isn't the myths, it's comics books loosely inspired by the myths. For example, Thor and Loki aren't adoptive siblings in actual Norse myth. But Marvel made then such in the comics because there's more inherent drama to be mined from it.

So making the God of War a major threat in the comics makes a certain amount of sense. Especially since Ares represents senseless violence and bloodshed, it makes him a fitting opponent for a woman who's all about love and compassion and understanding and is appalled by even the idea of senseless violence and bloodshed (as the film demonstrates over and over again)/

I know i get that i just feel it was a waste to have them all killed i know he is the threat nothign wrong. Just seems a waste especially now that he is "dead" (i hope he is not he was a good antagonist).

[Gaelforce]

Enough. No more talk about does she/doesn't or should she/shouldn't she fly. Any further debate/discussion on that aspect of the character/movie will be deleted.

[Vanguard-01]

I know i get that i just feel it was a waste to have them all killed i know he is the threat nothign wrong. Just seems a waste especially now that he is "dead" (i hope he is not he was a good antagonist).

In DC lore, gods tend to have a pretty easy time coming back from the dead. It wouldn't be hard to bring back Ares and the other Gods. Heck, we only have Hippolyta's word that all the other gods died. It could be revealed that at least some of them survived and we're just laying low. Or maybe Ares imprisoned them rather than killing them. If they want the gods back, there will be plenty of ways to do it.

I do wonder if having the gods die may be a foreshadowing for the New Gods. Their whole story is supposed to be that the Old Gods died and they rose up in their stead.

[Punisher007]

Especially since we see that Hippolyta has no problem lying/keeping things from Diana if she feels like she has a good reason to.

[Phoenixx9]

Especially since we see that Hippolyta has no problem lying/keeping things from Diana if she feels like she has a good reason to.

Hippolyta had lied/withheld information to Diana even in the '60's and '70's, so it is nothing new for her to do.

[Vanguard-01]

Heck, Hippolyta doesn't even need to be keeping things from Diana. Unless she personally witnessed the deaths of all the gods, she may simply be telling the truth as far as she knows it. Ares claimed to have killed them all and Hippolyta had no reason to doubt him.

[Punisher007]

Did he still have the lasso wrapped around him during all of that? I know that he did when he revealed the whole "Zeus is your father" thing.

[ouroboros]

This isn't the myths, it's comics books loosely inspired by the myths. For example, Thor and Loki aren't adoptive siblings in actual Norse myth. But Marvel made then such in the comics because there's more inherent drama to be mined from it.

So making the God of War a major threat in the comics makes a certain amount of sense. Especially since Ares represents senseless violence and bloodshed, it makes him a fitting opponent for a woman who's all about love and compassion and understanding and is appalled by even the idea of senseless violence and bloodshed (as the film demonstrates over and over again)/

I've no problems with Ares glorying in violence and bloodshed. But if he eradicates humankind, doesn't he kind of eradicate his own reason for being?

I imagine someone could have made Ares' antipathy toward mortals compelling, but the script for WONDER WOMAN didn't really bother thinking the matter through.

[Punisher007]

Not really because his motivations are different here. He's more of a misguided extremist who thinks that he's saving the world. He does see war as his "reason for being." As he says "I'm not the god of war, I'm the god of truth."

The question that I (and others) were answering before was "why did Ares become her big godly nemesis and not the other gods." And the simple answer, both in the comics and in the film, is that he fits that role much better than the other gods.

[brettc1]

And once again, you're pretty much the only person on this forum who believes what we have gotten so far is "crumbs." Most of us were either perfectly satisfied with what we have, or we're willing to be patient and trust that we will get everything we want eventually.

I have to agree. I certainly didn't come out of the movie with any sense of being short changed. If this was crumbs then there was certainly a truckload of them.

[dianafan1985]

I have to agree. I certainly didn't come out of the movie with any sense of being short changed. If this was crumbs then there was certainly a truckload of them.

He never said he came out of the entire movie feeling short changed. He said he gave the movie 7.5 out of 10 (not 2, not 3.4, not 4.9, but way over 50%) in terms of what he liked about the movie. He said on this very thread that he would have given it 8.5 out of 10 if they had portrayed her with all of the powers, in her first film in almost 80 years, that she has possessed in comics and animation for the past 30 years. Even though I felt short changed about this aspect of the film, especially since it was teased, I still gave it 8.8 out of 10, and I described several pages ago, all the things I liked about the film.

But this isn't about liking the film because if I hated the film, that is my prerogative given the title of this thread. This is about being able to express a variety of opinions on a website that describes itself as a community or forum, without posters harassing, baiting, or rebuking others for have an opposing view. It appears as if the rules are enforced for some people and not for others, given what I have observed.

[Vanguard-01]

I've no problems with Ares glorying in violence and bloodshed. But if he eradicates humankind, doesn't he kind of eradicate his own reason for being?

He certainly didn't seem to think so. His whole pitch to Diana was about convincing her to help him kill off humanity so he and she can remake the world into a pre-human paradise. Maybe he and she would create a new race afterward. Who knows? According to Greek myth, the gods have already destroyed and remade the human race like four times and the human race that currently exists is actually Humanity 5.0.

[brettc1]

He certainly didn't seem to think so. His whole pitch to Diana was about convincing her to help him kill off humanity so he and she can remake the world into a pre-human paradise. Maybe he and she would create a new race afterward. Who knows? According to Greek myth, the gods have already destroyed and remade the human race like four times and the human race that currently exists is actually Humanity 5.0.

Thats what I felt he was saying - he and Diana would be the Zeus and Hera to a new race of gods.

Perez's original story about Ares dying without humsns to worshthim is brilliantly told but fraught with problems. If the gods cannot exist without humans, how did they exist first? And yet thectitans were definitely pre-human.