Tom King+Mitch Gerad To Write/Draw Mister Miracle

[whiterabbit]

What makes it necessarily a false reality? I think it's clear that it's a DIFFERENT reality, but is this the Scott of the main universe, or another? And what's the meaning of it being false vs. different in terms of how we should read it as Tom King's statement on the current political situation (which he's said many times)?

The idea that everything was a false reality comes from everything being in Scott's head and not a reality to begin with. Real would be tangible.

[millernumber1]

The idea that everything was a false reality comes from everything being in Scott's head and not a reality to begin with. Real would be tangible.

I'm not convinced that everything IS in Scott's head. He could have escaped one reality to another without it necessarily being the direct result of the suicide attempt (though obviously it's linked). If it is just his dying dream, what was the meaning of Barda's anger about the suicide attempt in this reality?

[whiterabbit]

I'm not convinced that everything IS in Scott's head. He could have escaped one reality to another without it necessarily being the direct result of the suicide attempt (though obviously it's linked). If it is just his dying dream, what was the meaning of Barda's anger about the suicide attempt in this reality?

Because Scott knows his wife and how she would react to him trying to commit suicide. The biggest reason his suicide seems legit is how this entire series started on it and everything after that seems super shady and many of these characters are not themselves or are currently alive or dead. The great thing is you can always just say Darkseid manipulated reality with the anti-life equation and handwave everything.

[CaptCleghorn]

I'm not convinced that everything IS in Scott's head. He could have escaped one reality to another without it necessarily being the direct result of the suicide attempt (though obviously it's linked). If it is just his dying dream, what was the meaning of Barda's anger about the suicide attempt in this reality?

I really doubt Scott's in another reality. at least not in a DC other dimension sense. There's much more of a sense that Scott is either dead and in an afterlife, or bordering on death due to the suicide attempt and trying to clean up the mess that his ;life had been in a Lost type scenario. Scott also has two characters telling him he's in heaven and hell and that choice is up in the air.

I expected more of a finish. Obviously the weird effects of the life Scott's currently living is continuing as seen by the multiple black boxes on characters. Barda's eye color became a non-issue. The appearances of the supposedly dead Highfather and Oberon gave me the imp[ression that whatever is actually bothering Scott is worse now than it was when we saw "Darkseid is." messages appearing.

This series was brilliant and even with this WTF finale, these twelve issues stand as a powerful story. But if this is just a prelude to Scott's participation in "Heroes in Crisis", that would be a truly dick move. But based on the stuff in this issue, that's currently my main belief.

[king81992]

This feels like a metaphor for continuity.

In the end Scott chooses to remain in his own version of reality and not deal with the craziness that is DC comic continuity.

Is King trying to say that fans should ignore all the continuity decisions they dislike? Most of us already do this.

Or did King go with the vague and psychadelic ending on purpose to deflect criticism?

[whiterabbit]

This feels like a metaphor for continuity.

In the end Scott chooses to remain in his own version of reality and not deal with the craziness that is DC comic continuity.

Is King trying to say that fans should ignore all the continuity decisions they dislike? Most of us already do this.

Or did King go with the vague and psychadelic ending on purpose to deflect criticism?

I can never ignore canon that I dislike. I can have arguments over straight to home video Disney sequels. If you build a beautiful building and then throw a bucket of poop on it and break all the windows then something has to be said. Denial over something not happening is unhealthy.

[numberthirty]

Man...

There are very few times that mechanical execution is so flawless that you can just enjoy something as brilliant art.

If you are trying to figure out what "Actually" happened, you are doing it wrong.

[numberthirty]

So...the idea is that we should escape reality into mundanity? That's very confusing.

Since this was obviously meant for the reader to decide, here's one guy's take -

It's about becoming an adult, and accepting adulthood.

[CaptCleghorn]

Man...

There are very few times that mechanical execution is so flawless that you can just enjoy something as brilliant art.

If you are trying to figure out what "Actually" happened, you are doing it wrong.

I strongly disagree here. There has been a lot about what's real and what isn't with this series. Going back to Barda's eye color, that was an issue. The Metron appearance in issue 11 was proof things were off. Now I may believe there may not be a "correct" answer, but there is no way we're not expected to try to figure this out.

I do agree with the apprceiating this as brillaint art part, though. The juxtapositioning of many aspects of Scott's life and the mix of cosmic and mundane along with actually making weird-ass Kirby Koncepts work in a modern story were all wonderful.

[king81992]

So...the idea is that we should escape reality into mundanity? That's very confusing.

It's more like Scott willingly rejected reality to willingly live in a mundane and ideal fantasy. He could escape at any time but chooses not to.

Like most of King's work there's this weird trauma motiff running through the whole story.

[WTNew]

...It's about becoming an adult, and accepting adulthood.

Is that what it was about? I thought it was about 11 issues too long.

King seems to be one of those writers who really does not like super heroes and seems to be ashamed to be writing them, so he tries to elevate his stories above the subject matter. But this series could have been about anybody -- any shmuck that was unhappy with his life. There was nothing in this that really related to the Mister Miracle that Kirby created and has been in DC comics for decades. It wasn't a bold re-imagining or an addition to the character's legacy. It wasn't even a good Mister Miracle story. It didn't need to be about a super hero at all.

I feel like I wasted my time reading this boring drivel.

King is a very good writer, but if he wants to write about mundane subjects, he needs to stay away of super heroes.

Just my opinion.

[king81992]

Since this was obviously meant for the reader to decide, here's one guy's take -

It's about becoming an adult, and accepting adulthood.

I get the opposite impression.

[millernumber1]

It's more like Scott willingly rejected reality to willingly live in a mundane and ideal fantasy. He could escape at any time but chooses not to.

Like most of King's work there's this weird trauma motiff running through the whole story.

I was reading elsewhere that King is clearly riffing on the sense of unreality that comes to many vets and other public servants who retire, and the guilt that you are comfortable when others are dying or in pain. I think that's clearly the case, but I don't know what he's saying ABOUT it.

[Robotman]

What’s the best kind of trap? One that you don’t want to escape from.

[millernumber1]

What’s the best kind of trap? One that you don’t want to escape from.

I read a great novel where Sleeping Beauty traps Baba Yaga in that kind of trap. A circle that she can't WANT to escape from.

But I can't figure out whether were's supposed to be happy or sad that he doesn't want to escape.

Also, is Barda fake in this reality of his?