DCEU Wonder Woman vs MCU Avengers

[yolo_dude]

This is a good fight. Diana has speed/reactions faster than any Avenger. She has a sword that can practically one shot any Avenger. (The same sword that easily cut through Doomsday, the same Doomsday that tanked a nuke to the face). Wonder Woman is also strong, being physically capable of lifting a 33 ton tank over her head easily. I'd put her strength range in the ball park of Thor, but below the likes of Vision or Hulk.

[StupidMoniker]

As for her unleashing an AoE energy blast.. she was never shown to do anything of the sort before she absorbed energy and her bracelets lit up.
I really hope they give her that power, like Zeus lighting or something, but so far it has not been shown.

She does it during training. No one was throwing energy attacks at her, and she unleashed an AoE blast that knocked the Amazons on their collective asses.

[Jokerz79]

Damn it now I'm picturing Hulk pulling a Loki and calling Diana a puny Demi-God.

Seriously I love Diana but Hulk, Thor, Vision, and Scarlet Witch on the Team plus the other Avengers all it takes is just one to get the drop on her for a second and them boom they all pile on I can't see her winning.

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

Rookie Diana is probably in the Cap range but slightly stronger. Although she didn't seem to fight anybody with equal skill. Ares did the usual AoE blasting, throwing/shooting energy when not AoEing that villains often do.

Absurd. She threw a tank like it was a volleyball. She smashed the top story of a bell tower like it was confetti, with one hit. She can't speed blitz like a speedster, but she is very fast and has reaction time that's so quick, she can see bullets in motion. Captain America, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Ant-man, and Iron Man stand no chance. MCU Cap is well above baseline, but Diana is faster, stronger, and a better fighter. He goes down like it's nothing. WW gives MCU Scarlet Witch no time to concentrate and takes her down with a boot to the gut. Quicksilver goes after her in anger and she hamstrings him with a quick thrust of her sword (she's might not be fast enough to catch him, but she's quick enough to react to him. Dodge, thrust, done, good night, Pietro.) Ant-man goes Giant form, but he's too slow and cumbersome to connect, so he gets hamstrung too. Iron Man puts up the best fight of the first group, but just like Thor handled him in the first Avengers movie, and Hulk handled his buster armor in the second one, his tech just can't compare with a god tier superhuman. He goes down.

The secondary group though, is too much if they work together. Thor keeps Diana on the defensive with lightning strikes, Hulk gets back up no matter what she throws at him, and Vision puts the whole thing to bed by phasing through her heart.

[AdvanceBushido]

My whole thing is; if WW can react and move faster than Vision what's to stop her from koing him before he has a chance to go intangible. He's showing aren't that great if I remember correctly. Not only that but, Hawkeye was practically moving in slow motion fight Vision.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

This is a good fight. Diana has speed/reactions faster than any Avenger. She has a sword that can practically one shot any Avenger. (The same sword that easily cut through Doomsday, the same Doomsday that tanked a nuke to the face). Wonder Woman is also strong, being physically capable of lifting a 33 ton tank over her head easily. I'd put her strength range in the ball park of Thor, but below the likes of Vision or Hulk.

Thor is well above that strength range.
He is only slightly weaker than Hulk.
And where does Vision get having higher physical strength than Thor?

She does it during training. No one was throwing energy attacks at her, and she unleashed an AoE blast that knocked the Amazons on their collective asses.

That blast was not even enough to do damage to them though. Nothing shows her doing any real damage even against people who die from gunshots. Her shockwave was very weak compared to what it will take to drop someone like Vision.

Again, I really hope she gets the lightning as standard powers but she did not use anything in any big fight until she absorbed it first. DD and Ares both are perfect examples of that.

My whole thing is; if WW can react and move faster than Vision what's to stop her from koing him before he has a chance to go intangible. He's showing aren't that great if I remember correctly. Not only that but, Hawkeye was practically moving in slow motion fight Vision.

What is she doing to kill him from standard starting distance before he simply thinks "intangible?"

[yolo_dude]

Thor is well above that strength range.
He is only slightly weaker than Hulk.
And where does Vision get having higher physical strength than Thor?

Based on feats I would say MCU Thor is about a 100 tonner, with Vision being slightly higher due to the combination of his Vibranium laced body and his phasing which greatly allows him to alter his density. If one takes into account the hand to hand fight against Thor in the deleted scene for Aou, he seemed to have a slight edge over Thor.

A fully enraged Hulk, (Leviathan punch and Aou fight with Hulkbuster) would be around 250 tons. Iron Man and War Machine around the 60-70 ton range (due to War Machine canonically telling Thor and Cap that he was able to carry a 60 ton tank. I think it's in one of the tie in comics)

DCEU Wonder Woman was able to casually and easily lift 33 tons cleanly over her head with little to no sign of effort. While also able to briefly restrain Doomsday with the Lasso. I could definitely see her being a 100 tonner like MCU Thor.

What Thor certainly has going for him over Wonder Woman in the fight are striking power, flight, and energy projection/weather manipulation due to Mjlnor.

[StupidMoniker]

That blast was not even enough to do damage to them though. Nothing shows her doing any real damage even against people who die from gunshots. Her shockwave was very weak compared to what it will take to drop someone like Vision.

Oh, her uncharged shockwave isn't hurting any of them seriously, but it should be enough to stun Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, and Ant-Man, which would allow her to get rid of those three off the bat before they cause her problems.

[big_adventure]

At the end of the day, she still cannot fly, and cannot superspeed blitz from across the arena.

She somehow needs to get to Thor, Tony and Vision, and she has no way to do that.

Thor has some level of very good reflexes: deflecting shots with hammer swings from the Destroyer armor, dodging the plane wing at point blank range from an enraged Hulk, etc. No, not BT, but still perfectly CBPH at least. He's also clearly and explicitly quicker than Loki when he gets serious, and Loki's feats are basically the definition of CBPH at minimum: catching arrows, dancing through a hail of bullets, and CLEARLY being considerably faster than Captain America in their fight WHEN HE WANTED TO LOSE.

Then Tony: Tony literally has BT feats. He dodged a shot from a tank - that's 5000 fps or more, ridiculously past bullet speed, he dodges streams of 20mm cannon shot from a F22, and out of armor he has a couple of low-end BTish feats in IM3 (bullet dodge in the "Mandarin's" house fight, after the missile hit, while being chucked across a room, he focuses and sends his armor to protect Pepper). Yeah, they are all arguable, but they are NOT arguable as less than CBPH.

Vision does not, really, but only needs to think to phase or fly, and it's not like Wondy is hurting freaking Vibranium in any case - don't forget, he's made of the stuff.

All three can fly, and all three can make with potent attacks while doing so.

Also, anyone saying that Wonder Woman's reflexes even APPROACH Quicksilver's is being silly. Seriously, he's fast enough to run up, grab her lasso and freaking hog tie her with it. He's a legit speedster - moving so fast that legit CBPHers cannot even see him. PIS gets him hit, not actual ability. Think about it: if he wanted to beat anyone in that fight except Thor, all he had to do was pick up a handful of nails and start throwing them. That won't beat Wondy, no, but it doesn't have to - he can simply run up and take off her shield, armor, bracers, etc., or, as mentioned, rip off her lasso and tie her up with it. Or just wait until Thor tosses Mjolnir, then run up, pick her up, and move her head in front of the hammer.

[Nik Hasta]

Vision remains a big question mark because we've not really seen his limits in any capacity.

Quicksilver in the MCU is not as far as his X-Men counterpart, he's still quite comfortably faster than Diana was shown to be. Their reflexes are presented as similar but he has more impressive feats of highly precise movement in tiny windows of time.

[ParticleFreezer]

I'm sorry but she is not even half as fast as Quicksilver. WW Speed blitzes soldiers who can see her and move somewhat in between her attacks. QS picks a bullet out of the air and takes the guys gun, takes out the clip, takes the bullets out of the clip and lays them in a row before the guy who fired it even realized someone had moved.

^^This

Also Quicksilver doesnt need a horse to get around or watch his spouse get killed to travel from point A to B.

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

Vision remains a big question mark because we've not really seen his limits in any capacity.

Quicksilver in the MCU is not as far as his X-Men counterpart, he's still quite comfortably faster than Diana was shown to be. Their reflexes are presented as similar but he has more impressive feats of highly precise movement in tiny windows of time.

Comfortably? Diana can reflect the bullets from multiple machine guns at once. MCU Pietro was killed by gunfire from a single cannon while saving Hawkeye. Her demonstrated reaction time is well above his.

[Nik Hasta]

I don't recall Diana reflecting gunfire from multiple machine guns. She got pinned down behind her shield by multiple machine guns but that's not the same.

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

I don't recall Diana reflecting gunfire from multiple machine guns. She got pinned down behind her shield by multiple machine guns but that's not the same.

When she got into the village, she was blocking shots from a couple nests. Am I remembering it wrong to say she was using her bracelets?

[Bluekey]

Comfortably? Diana can reflect the bullets from multiple machine guns at once. MCU Pietro was killed by gunfire from a single cannon while saving Hawkeye. Her demonstrated reaction time is well above his.

That gun that killed Pietro fires bullets at nearly mach 2, and he still managed to intercept and move hawkeye out of the way. QS is way faster on his feet.