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[Master of Sound]

Now if this real Madelyne can kill-off the cheap Secret Wars version that came to the MU from Battleworld and her Bamf dragon, I would be really happy. Because that version of the Goblin Queen, just doesn't cut it

[jwatson]

Now if this real Madelyne can kill-off the cheap Secret Wars version that came to the MU from Battleworld and her Bamf dragon, I would be really happy. Because that version of the Goblin Queen, just doesn't cut it

I wonder if Madelyne is still considered a clone or duplicate of Jean. And if so i'm actually suprised her appearance first wasn't in x-factor. Also with the consciousness and all that debate are she and jean connected in some way or because she never literally had jean consciousness she is not considered jean. That then opens the question about putting someones consciousness in the body of someone else because if someone asked that in their will and some made the duplicate argument or cloned body one could just point to madelyne. Or what if one person is missing part of the memories. Like logan for instance if he was still in a state where he didn't have his memories could he even successfully be resurrected.? Would it be logan. I'm confusing myself. lol

[Askani's Flame]

I wonder if Madelyne is still considered a clone or duplicate of Jean. And if so i'm actually suprised her appearance first wasn't in x-factor. Also with the consciousness and all that debate are she and jean connected in some way or because she never literally had jean consciousness she is not considered jean. That then opens the question about putting someones consciousness in the body of someone else because if someone asked that in their will and some made the duplicate argument or cloned body one could just point to madelyne. Or what if one person is missing part of the memories. Like logan for instance if he was still in a state where he didn't have his memories could he even successfully be resurrected.? Would it be logan. I'm confusing myself. lol

The body she is in technically was made from someone else and magicked into looking like her old one. So she's not a clone in the sense of a literal cloned body, but she's one of the first clones Sinister made. Given that, I think it's perfectly reasonable for her not to be appearing in X-Factor, where they are dealing specifically with the resurrection process and death, and not specifically cloning.

And yes, people can be resurrected missing key memories. It has to do with the lead telepath's choice when downloading the existing data from Cerebro into the body. See X-Force and Domino as an example. It has also been stated that Xavier has previously reloaded his brain with data to erase memories in the past.

[andreikes]

"As Arkea feared being killed by the X-Men again, she wanted powerhouses to join the Sisterhood. She first had Amora resurrect Black Queen.[46] Then using the genetic material of Jean Grey, she modified the dead body of Ana Cortes to resemble Jean Grey genetically. To complete this she had Amora summon Madelyne from beyond the grave to complete the resurrection" marvel fandom

[Dante Milton]

And yes, people can be resurrected missing key memories. It has to do with the lead telepath's choice when downloading the existing data from Cerebro into the body. See X-Force and Domino as an example. It has also been stated that Xavier has previously reloaded his brain with data to erase memories in the past.

It's actually determined by the wishes of the person being resurrected. In the case of Dom, she wanted to retain her memories but the only person she informed of that wish was Colossus, the implication being that he didn't respect her choice because he thought it was best, not the telepath who performed the resurrection.

[Askani's Flame]

"As Arkea feared being killed by the X-Men again, she wanted powerhouses to join the Sisterhood. She first had Amora resurrect Black Queen.[46] Then using the genetic material of Jean Grey, she modified the dead body of Ana Cortes to resemble Jean Grey genetically. To complete this she had Amora summon Madelyne from beyond the grave to complete the resurrection" marvel fandom

Yes, thank you for that, I thought I might have misspoke. But still, not a clone.

It's actually determined by the wishes of the person being resurrected. In the case of Dom, she wanted to retain her memories but the only person she informed of that wish was Colossus, the implication being that he didn't respect her choice because he thought it was best, not the telepath who performed the resurrection.

True. But still Xavier or the telepath could make that choice as well. I would not put it past Xavier if he thought it was in his... I mean their best interest.

[MAR420X]

[Steroid]

Awesome looking cover for sure.

[Havok83]

I wonder if Madelyne is still considered a clone or duplicate of Jean. And if so i'm actually suprised her appearance first wasn't in x-factor. Also with the consciousness and all that debate are she and jean connected in some way or because she never literally had jean consciousness she is not considered jean. That then opens the question about putting someones consciousness in the body of someone else because if someone asked that in their will and some made the duplicate argument or cloned body one could just point to madelyne. Or what if one person is missing part of the memories. Like logan for instance if he was still in a state where he didn't have his memories could he even successfully be resurrected.? Would it be logan. I'm confusing myself. lol

Of course she's a clone of Jean. Thats the one thing that has pretty much defined her. Not sure why she would appear in X-Factor. She has no connection to the characters there other than a very weak one to Rachel. The Maraurders, Sinister and Havok are all personally attached to her so it makes perfect sense why she would be in Hellions

As for your last point, a person can only be resurrected with whatever memories Cerebro backed up. If it was Logan in the 90s, it would be without chunks of his memories bc Xavier was unable to scan that part of his brain. People with natural telepathic resistances are gonna be tough to backup and Id suspect they'd have to work directly with Xavier in order to let those guards down for the purposes of the backup

[Harpsikord]

Of course she's a clone of Jean. Thats the one thing that has pretty much defined her. Not sure why she would appear in X-Factor. She has no connection to the characters there other than a very weak one to Rachel. The Maraurders, Sinister and Havok are all personally attached to her so it makes perfect sense why she would be in Hellions

X-Factor's very premise deals with mutants who may or may not be dead - but the thing about Madelyne is that I'm not sure that it's ever been made clear that she had powers. Sinister made her to be a genetic duplicate of Jean but we never saw her use telepathy or telekinesis, so her X-Gene never ignited even if it exists. She resorted to making a deal with a demon to get her abilities.

Therefore even if Maddie is an X-Villain, she's not exactly a mutant. If she appeared anywhere other than Hellions it would've made sense for it to be X-Force.

[Havok83]

X-Factor's very premise deals with mutants who may or may not be dead - but the thing about Madelyne is that I'm not sure that it's ever been made clear that she had powers. Sinister made her to be a genetic duplicate of Jean but we never saw her use telepathy or telekinesis, so her X-Gene never ignited even if it exists. She resorted to making a deal with a demon to get her abilities.

Therefore even if Maddie is an X-Villain, she's not exactly a mutant. If she appeared anywhere other than Hellions it would've made sense for it to be X-Force.

Investigate mutants who may be dead so that they can be resurrected. As a clone, there is no reason to resurrect her as her existence is redundant with Jean and they dont want dupes around. Maddie was last seen alive. Yes, she's been MIA for years but there unfortunately for her, no incentive to look for her, at least not for the purpose for which X-Factor was formed

Maddie most definitely has powers. In Inferno, she suggests that her nascent powers had awakened when Scott fought Storm and she used her TP unwillingly to make him lose that fight. She uses TK to subdue Jean and blasts several of the X-men

One can argue the validity since she was sort of brought back in the 90s, but she used TP/TK in X-man, Fraction's UXM and Wood's X-men. Even the Maddie clones from Gillen's run had that powerset

[CGAR]

what comes out tomorrow?

[Dante Milton]

what comes out tomorrow?

Empyre: X-Men #2
Giant Size X-Men: Fantomex #1
and Deadpool #6, which I usually wouldn't count, but it's set on Krakoa and features the X-Men

[Frobisher]

Investigate mutants who may be dead so that they can be resurrected. As a clone, there is no reason to resurrect her as her existence is redundant with Jean and they dont want dupes around. Maddie was last seen alive. Yes, she's been MIA for years but there unfortunately for her, no incentive to look for her, at least not for the purpose for which X-Factor was formed

Maddie most definitely has powers. In Inferno, she suggests that her nascent powers had awakened when Scott fought Storm and she used her TP unwillingly to make him lose that fight. She uses TK to subdue Jean and blasts several of the X-men

One can argue the validity since she was sort of brought back in the 90s, but she used TP/TK in X-man, Fraction's UXM and Wood's X-men. Even the Maddie clones from Gillen's run had that powerset

Laura and the Cuckoos are clones, and they’re not considered redundant. They’re as much their own individuals as identical twins are.

[Tycon]

Laura and the Cuckoos are clones, and they’re not considered redundant. They’re as much their own individuals as identical twins are.

Plus I could never see Xavier seeing any mutant as "redundant."