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[Grunty]

Excellent well reasoned post. Also would this be a voluntary mutant army or would there be a mandatory draft. Would every mutant be expected to contribute and do their part, no conscientious objectors. The vast majority of mutants are not soldiers or have the mindset and abilities (offensive/defensive) that lend themselves to the battlefield. Now if Bishop was to recruit from among the Akkarro population, and they were receptive to the idea then maybe you have something. But they are a big uncontrollable wildcard.

The idea of drafting mutants into an army would certainly be of bad taste for many, unless it's in a time of crisis, considering how often mutants were brainwashed, drafted or forced into doing harm by various individuals and organizations just because of their powers.

Though i wouldn't say the majority mutants aren't suited to be soldiers or have the mindset for it. Because you could say the same about most people. That's after all where military training and drill come into play. At which point it's all about motiviation to join and stay in a potential military.

Also yes, the Arrakii aren't the best option for recruits at the moment, despite their martial backround, precisely because they grew up in a society dedicated to constant battle.

I definitely see what your saying and i more meant in like the vein of Sword 2.0 which is what i was actually going to post but then i thought Arrako, Krakoa, Inhumans, Humans etc and so i was thinking it would be cool to have bishop control and staff sword station two as the primary protector of Earth and Arrako while Sword #1 is the more exploratory book so i guess Sword 2 would be like Star fleet home command and more reacted to threats on the home front. So more Star fleet than army i didn't really think too much about the details though to be honest like the system itself.

So the idea goes more into the direction of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine or Babylon 5?

In that case it would certainly be easier to find and organize mutants with "suited" powers for specific roles, rather than having to deal with needing so much personal that the standard becomes anyone who can serve in supportive or combat roles beyond or regardless of their powers.

Though Star Fleet is an interesting example, considering that humanity in Star Trek has also moved into a post scarcity society. Only the people in said society still spend most of their life working, just not for basic needs or luxuries anymore, but for the sake of providing a role in said society and/or self improvement or fulfillment. A behaviour which has become the social accepted and promoted norm. With Star Fleet being a kind of high risk/high reward option for those who seek it.

Something not only clearly missing from the mutants on Krakoa, but also hindered by the mentioned aspect of people being heavily valued by their powers, intentionaly or not.

Funny enough the almost "snobbish" mentality of mutants towards "human" things presented since the launch of Dawn of X, keeps reminding me to the first two seasons of Star Trek: The Next Generation, where the 24th century humans were often presented as similar in their opinion towards the 20th and 21st century humans or aliens who show similar traits (in part because of Roddenberry's utopic viewpoints he brought in, which also demanded no conflict between the Star Fleet officers). Which was also shown in Star Fleet having an incredibly high recruitment standard, where only the best of the best would even have a chance to become ensigns.

Overall if the mutant nation of Krakoa is meant to stay a while longer, i hope the X-men writers do what the Star Trek writers did with season 3 onward and balance the mentality of mutants towards "humanity" out more (can we get some mutants who openly don't like seperating themself from "humans"?)and flesh out their society out with more things for the "common" mutant to do.

Which makes me think it would certainly be interesting to have more mutants on SWORD 2 who are there for Star Fleet type "adventure" even if their powers don't make them automatically superior in specific roles. Like Onyxx wanting to work in communications, rather than secruity, or Jazz wanting to be part of secruity to improve his "street cred".

[jwatson]

The idea of drafting mutants into an army would certainly be of bad taste for many, unless it's in a time of crisis, considering how often mutants were brainwashed, drafted or forced into doing harm by various individuals and organizations just because of their powers.

Though i wouldn't say the majority mutants aren't suited to be soldiers or have the mindset for it. Because you could say the same about most people. That's after all where military training and drill come into play. At which point it's all about motiviation to join and stay in a potential military.

Also yes, the Arrakii aren't the best option for recruits at the moment, despite their martial backround, precisely because they grew up in a society dedicated to constant battle.



So the idea goes more into the direction of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine or Babylon 5?

In that case it would certainly be easier to find and organize mutants with "suited" powers for specific roles, rather than having to deal with needing so much personal that the standard becomes anyone who can serve in supportive or combat roles beyond or regardless of their powers.

Though Star Fleet is an interesting example, considering that humanity in Star Trek has also moved into a post scarcity society. Only the people in said society still spend most of their life working, just not for basic needs or luxuries anymore, but for the sake of providing a role in said society and/or self improvement or fulfillment. A behaviour which has become the social accepted and promoted norm. With Star Fleet being a kind of high risk/high reward option for those who seek it.

Something not only clearly missing from the mutants on Krakoa, but also hindered by the mentioned aspect of people being heavily valued by their powers, intentionaly or not.

Funny enough the almost "snobbish" mentality of mutants towards "human" things presented since the launch of Dawn of X, keeps reminding me to the first two seasons of Star Trek: The Next Generation, where the 24th century humans were often presented as similar in their opinion towards the 20th and 21st century humans or aliens who show similar traits (in part because of Roddenberry's utopic viewpoints he brought in, which also demanded no conflict between the Star Fleet officers). Which was also shown in Star Fleet having an incredibly high recruitment standard, where only the best of the best would even have a chance to become ensigns.

Overall if the mutant nation of Krakoa is meant to stay a while longer, i hope the X-men writers do what the Star Trek writers did with season 3 onward and balance the mentality of mutants towards "humanity" out more (can we get some mutants who openly don't like seperating themself from "humans"?)and flesh out their society out with more things for the "common" mutant to do.

I guess it would be more akin to deep space nine as i kind of saw it as all of sol's finest coming together to protect it. Sword #1 was mutants getting their foot in i feel sword #2 should be about introducing sol to alien life and preparing and if necessary defending them from beyond. Like i think gates to the sword station should be programmed that any personal can go through human, inhuman etc, and be able to bring someone sort of like having a mutant escort would do because something like that needs to live or die on that trust level. As such people on the station would also have access to other mutant gates across the galaxy for multiude of purporses, sort of like a permanent warp drive to almost anywhere i guess which is generally planted by the sword 1 team on their explorations.

Which makes me think it would certainly be interesting to have more mutants on SWORD 2 who are there for Star Fleet type "adventure" even if their powers don't make them automatically superior in specific roles. Like Onyxx wanting to work in communications, rather than secruity, or Jazz wanting to be part of secruity to improve his "street cred".

I swear your posts always fascinate be because on a logical level i agree with them for the most part but then i step back and go it's not really elitist when mutants have never gotten to experience this so while i can clearly see and understand your point i come from a place of that is all true but this is a people getting to experience pride and getting to know themselves as mutant for the first time so while it can come off as arrogant i see it as unabashed pride.

Much like star trek i wasn't thinking specific powers for a role though i am sure that would help but of course we know Picard had a depth of wisdom that even someone as empathic Deanna could not surpass. (which makes me think forge and data would have some amazing conversations.

But i will say maybe i am looking at it wrong, Sword does seem like a defense team so maybe sword 2 should actually be discovery. The members of sol going out and being diplomatic and forging allegiances for sol on a deeper level than what sword 1 has done so far. My mind is really racing now.

[Grunty]

I swear your posts always fascinate be because on a logical level i agree with them for the most part but then i step back and go it's not really elitist when mutants have never gotten to experience this so while i can clearly see and understand your point i come from a place of that is all true but this is a people getting to experience pride and getting to know themselves as mutant for the first time so while it can come off as arrogant i see it as unabashed pride.

Yeah i can understand that perspective too. Though since my viewpoint is always partial affected by keeping in mind how things work in the super hero comics over the past decades, i can't help but see the roots for a "downfall through hubris" story being seeded in the displayed mentality.
Which is certainly not helped by my critical opinion on where the franchise has moved with Hickman. With the mutant situation snapped into what feels to me like the opposite extreme from where they had been since House of M, with no real transition time in between.
Which makes me worried about how long the "good times" can last, given i don't want the mutants back into either the M-Day or even Morrison status (i would prefer a more balanced and grounded one personaly).
But yes i understand the "deserved pride" viewpoint, so no further argument there.

Much like star trek i wasn't thinking specific powers for a role though i am sure that would help but of course we know Picard had a depth of wisdom that even someone as empathic Deanna could not surpass. (which makes me think forge and data would have some amazing conversations).

But i will say maybe i am looking at it wrong, Sword does seem like a defense team so maybe sword 2 should actually be discovery. The members of sol going out and being diplomatic and forging allegiances for sol on a deeper level than what sword 1 has done so far. My mind is really racing now.

Well arguably SWORD is an intelligence service first and formost with some limited military and research capacity. But their primary objective is to know what's going on in established/known space and develop and perform plans to keep their side (Krakoa, Earth, Sol) ahead of the game. They are basicly what X-force could be on Earth if properly sized and led by someone who isn't currently megalomanic, amoral and incompetent.

So they are defence in the indirect way and there is not much "discovery" involved, since their focus is the "known" regions and powers to keep an eye on.

Similar SWORD 2 is basicly a mixture of embassy and trade outpost. So that's where arguably the "defence" role would come into play. Both on the level of protecting and investigating trade in the sol system and to the main line of defence if anything would approach Earth in the current situation. So again not much room for "discovery" as much as learning or handling the established aspects of the cosmic Marvel Universe.
But yes, that's where alliances and connections would likely be formed openly.

If there is to be a SWORD team meant to go where no human (mutants included) has gone before and find new unknown things in the galaxy or interdimensionality of the Marvel Universe, we would need a 3rd SWORD division and ship exactly for that purpose.

At least that's how it looks to me.

[Diammandis]

This isnt an art teaser but Gerry did an interview today and he spoke about an Act 2 story him, Jordan and Hickman were planning and how they plan to introduce that mini series sometime soon.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000534473643

[MAR420X]

also hes writing issue 27 rite now... thats the december book

x-men #3 takes place in Vietnam

[Wolverine12]

This isnt an art teaser but Gerry did an interview today and he spoke about an Act 2 story him, Jordan and Hickman were planning and how they plan to introduce that mini series sometime soon.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000534473643

Can I get the rundown please?

[jwatson]

Yeah i can understand that perspective too. Though since my viewpoint is always partial affected by keeping in mind how things work in the super hero comics over the past decades, i can't help but see the roots for a "downfall through hubris" story being seeded in the displayed mentality.
Which is certainly not helped by my critical opinion on where the franchise has moved with Hickman. With the mutant situation snapped into what feels to me like the opposite extreme from where they had been since House of M, with no real transition time in between.
Which makes me worried about how long the "good times" can last, given i don't want the mutants back into either the M-Day or even Morrison status (i would prefer a more balanced and grounded one personaly).
But yes i understand the "deserved pride" viewpoint, so no further argument there.



Well arguably SWORD is an intelligence service first and formost with some limited military and research capacity. But their primary objective is to know what's going on in established/known space and develop and perform plans to keep their side (Krakoa, Earth, Sol) ahead of the game. They are basicly what X-force could be on Earth if properly sized and led by someone who isn't currently megalomanic, amoral and incompetent.

So they are defence in the indirect way and there is not much "discovery" involved, since their focus is the "known" regions and powers to keep an eye on.

Similar SWORD 2 is basicly a mixture of embassy and trade outpost. So that's where arguably the "defence" role would come into play. Both on the level of protecting and investigating trade in the sol system and to the main line of defence if anything would approach Earth in the current situation. So again not much room for "discovery" as much as learning or handling the established aspects of the cosmic Marvel Universe.
But yes, that's where alliances and connections would likely be formed openly.

If there is to be a SWORD team meant to go where no human (mutants included) has gone before and find new unknown things in the galaxy or interdimensionality of the Marvel Universe, we would need a 3rd SWORD division and ship exactly for that purpose.

At least that's how it looks to me.

I don't think there really needs to be a third one perhaps just breaking down the units better. Like Sword just be over all Sol's star fleet and then maybe books can branch out from there. It could be interesting seeing that devoloped into the different branches such as your discovery team, your generation team, your deep space team, like a sub story to the story. Though granted with the two cross over events Sqword hasn't really been able to tell us what it's ultimate voice is yet. I do think there is room for discovery though because if Earth has a galatic protector that mean earth is known of in the galaxy but the reverse isn't true so they would still be discovering and embracing new civilizations in the hope of forming a bond where as Brand right now is just force establishing a seat at the table so they could do such things. you know mysterium now reminds me of the diltihium crystals. I'm actually quite intrigued to see where the MArauders space adventure goes.

[Diammandis]

Looks like Hickman and Declan Shalvey are doing something xrelated for Marvel Unlimited which is to be revealed on the 9th
https://twitter.com/marvel/status/14...594867713?s=21

[Dthirds3]

Looks like Hickman and Declan Shalvey are doing something xrelated for Marvel Unlimited which is to be revealed on the 9th
https://twitter.com/marvel/status/14...594867713?s=21

But I was told he left the the xmen forever.....

[cranger]

But I was told he left the the xmen forever.....

Inferno ain't over yet, and I would not be surprised if this is not just some sort of supplement like Marvel AR tried to be.

[seccruz]

But I was told he left the the xmen forever.....

Aw. And you bought that. He said he was done for the moment. The moment probably passed.

[Steroid]

Inferno ain't over yet, and I would not be surprised if this is not just some sort of supplement like Marvel AR tried to be.

This is what I'm leaning towards with this announcement.

[Diammandis]

lol could this be a digital only xmen title that Hickman wanted that he wanted to try

[GeneTitan]

Inferno ain't over yet, and I would not be surprised if this is not just some sort of supplement like Marvel AR tried to be.

I used to enjoy Marvel AR. I think if it had lasted longer, they could've tied in some really good content.

[Vishop]

Looks like Hickman and Declan Shalvey are doing something xrelated for Marvel Unlimited which is to be revealed on the 9th
https://twitter.com/marvel/status/14...594867713?s=21

Probably be non canon with the format.