Renew Your Vows didn't make the Top 100 in May

[Miles To Go]

Given that the marriage lasted for over 20 years before Marvel retcon it suggest to me that the marriage is marketable.

It also remains a fixture of the daily comic strip, one of the oldest active AUs in publication history.

[Mister Mets]

Given that the marriage lasted for over 20 years before Marvel retcon it suggest to me that the marriage is marketable.

The problem is that Renew Your Vows is an alternate universe, and no matter how well an AU is written it will never sell as well as the real thing.

The Ultimate books were a notable exception.

[WeirdSpider]

The Ultimate books were a notable exception.

The Ultimate books also had way more marketing behind them.

Also again the marriage lasted 20 years and didn't seem to hurt sales any in that time period.

[UnknownEntity]

I think Conway and Stegman constitute as A-Listers, and Marvel rarely heavily promotes any books other than events. In fact, I think the book actually has received quite a bit of attention due to the controversy around OMD and the marriage in general. I'm not saying the marriage is unpopular, but it does seem that its importance is overestimated by the number of extremely vocal supporters it has. I will concede that the facts that the book is in an AU, Peter has a child, and there is a whole family of crimefighters may have further reduced the audience for the book.

Even if Marvel does cancel RYV, I hope they will at least try out an AU with Peter married to MJ, no kids or any super-family aspects, but Peter balancing his married life with superheroics and his job. I don't want them to give up on telling stories featuring a married Peter.

Why do you not like Peter's daughter. She's great. Her existence is not a problem or a turnoff. The crimefighting family is clearly inspired by Incredibles which is good. The super family dynamic can still be handled better but right now they're just beginning in-story and figuring things out.

My only dislike of the super family dynamic is that its unbalanced in the ensemble. MJ is getting a little more uplifted and Peter is not the focus. Since its an ensemble book all three characters should have an equal balance of screen time and story inclusion but right now its imbalanced with more emphasis placed on MJ in recent issues.

My proposition would be to refocus things back on Peter but keep MJ and Annie important. MJ isn't full time Spinneret and helps Peter only when he really needs help. Annie is not Peter's kid sidekick but she does have her powers and is struggling with them leading to Peter teaching her to use her powers but not in crimefighitng.

The other thing you propose is basically pre OMD Spider Man.

[Tuck]

While it doesn't sound good if the book didn't break the top 100, are there sales numbers? Does the book make money? That's what matters.

[UnknownEntity]

While it doesn't sound good if the book didn't break the top 100, are there sales numbers? Does the book make money? That's what matters.

Sales figures haven't released yet. Its clear the X-Men crossover failed to garner interest, even if RYV 6 was an all around excellent issue (and my favorite).

[Frontier]

What was the problem with the talent? And how did marketing fail a series that debuted well?

Even with Conway's talent and reputation, he's not a writer who can sell a book on his name alone.

[Miles To Go]

Sales figures haven't released yet. Its clear the X-Men crossover failed to garner interest, even if RYV 6 was an all around excellent issue (and my favorite).

And the attention it did garner wasn't pleasant. I nipped over to the X-Forums specifically for those issues and the Logan/Jean 'shipping and Jubilee character assassination pissed them off.

[UnknownEntity]

Even with Conway's talent and reputation, he's not a writer who can sell a book on his name alone.

But he does have considerable fame and the fact he ended the Silver Age with Gwen Stacy's death and subsequent great material in both Batman and Spectacular Spider Man should warrant him respect and a following.

[Tuck]

Jubilee character assassination pissed them off.

Hasn't pretty much every X-Man bought into Magneto's side at some point in canon at this point?

[UnknownEntity]

Hasn't pretty much every X-Man bought into Magneto's side at some point in canon at this point?

Pretty much and the reverse as well. The X-Men have become one with the Brotherhood, the Hellfire Club, etc. Its all a mess. Even Magneto is not a proper villain anymore and more an anti-hero.

[Tuck]

Pretty much and the reverse as well. The X-Men have become one with the Brotherhood, the Hellfire Club, etc. Its all a mess. Even Magneto is not a proper villain anymore and more an anti-hero.

I think once someone sends giant killer robots to commit genocide against you, arguments against violent response are kind of naive.

[UnknownEntity]

I think once someone sends giant killer robots to commit genocide against you, arguments against violent response are kind of naive.

Yeah, but enough of X. Really worried about RYV. Just hope it didn't drop below 20k. Or I can hope there's a mistake and RYV is actually in the 100 but wasn't properly inducted into it. Like they left it out but its actually in there.

Hm a guy can dream can't he.

[Mister Mets]

Even with Conway's talent and reputation, he's not a writer who can sell a book on his name alone.

How many writers are on that level? And is there any indication Renew Your Vows would be a good use of their talents?

[CrimsonEchidna]

The marriage IS marketable when handled by A-list talent and promoted heavily. RYV as it currently stands is not marketed properly.

Isn't one of the main arguments for Slott "stepping down" from Amazing is that anyone could sale the book, because the name sales itself?