Superman #25 Preview/Discussion

[JAK]

Clark says: "She (Lois) is fine, son... just listen!"

Maybe that's a confirmation that the chopped leg was just an illusion by Chester...

Or that he got her to the doctors in a soon enough time that she's ok. (minus some likely muscle rehab, maybe?)

[FishyZombie]

If the whole thing was a hallucination, then would that mean Clark still burned her when he thought he was cauterizing the stump?

[The Learner]

Good art, can't wait to find out what Jon's new power is.

[adrikito]

WOW, a BLACK mirror in his eyes of Superman..

Robin is right.. Don´t say that name..

[Superlad93]

Any predictions on what the status of Jon's powers will be after this arc?

Maybe his powers respond like an overworked muscle and he loses his "gains," and they now his body has to heal? Basically Chester's desperation and deviation from his original plan (limit Jon's power, and introduce him to it in increments under his watchful eye) is going to backfire, and he ends up overtaxing Jon's body (because Chester didn't allow him all of his powers in the first place, so his body hasn't had time to acclimate) and leaving him at a lower level while they build back up.

But since Chester's influence (or the milk) is no longer in play we can now have Jon gain new powers that deviate from Superman's overtime, but the overall potency will be diminished do to the above. Basically solves the whole "I don't want him stronger than Superman" stuff.

[Sacred Knight]

Frankly I'm kinda hoping the tests Batman did were affected by the general weirdness of Hamilton, the greater sense of illusion that Black has working within its borders. and that the off the chart potential Batman's tests showed were affected by said overall illusion. He didn't say he did anything like that, nor have even I worked out in my head the potential sense doing such a thing might make, but I'm still not a fan of uber-potential Jon after some months of trying to get used to the idea. But I imagine something like Superlad's ideas are more likely. And I can deal with that if so.

The idea of him with somewhat a different power set I could go for. It worked for Kon in differentiating him from Superman, before Johns screwed it all up. Such uniqueness could benefit Jon as well.

[Superlad93]

I guess I just don't understand the actual issue when Jon's uber-potential (in terms of raw power) won't likely be a tangible issue. The "why don't they just throw Jon at it" being an issue doesn't seem like much of an issue if he can't use that power till he's older (something that won't actually happen naturally or for an extended amount of time). Simply just by saying his powers were overtaxed and now need a long, long time to repair, so he's stuck at his current level of potency seems to solve basically every story concern regarding Jon being strong than Clark. And with the "their repairing" cop-out you're still allowed to give him new powers that Clark doesn't have but with a level of potency comparable to his current powers.

I'm still not clear on the issue with it simply being potential.

[Sacred Knight]

Basically I don't care for the idea of any offspring of Kal-El having the potential to be more powerful than him. I think he should still be the gold standard, be it in actual practice and future potential. I suppose its a nitpick with me but its the way I feel with any major star of certain mythoi that is based around one central character. I didn't care for the idea that Gohan had more potential than Goku. I don't like the insinuation that other Amazons can be Wonder Woman. I didn't really care for the idea that there could be other Slayers at the same time who were just as good as Buffy. So it goes beyond just a Superman thing. Its just the way I'm wired I guess when it comes to my fiction when it comes to these types of set-ups.

To me one of the drawbacks, if one could call it a drawback, to being the Sons and/or Daughters of Superman is knowing that you will never be Superman. And to be honest I think there's cool pathos to be had there from a characterization end. Draw off the symbolic well of children trying to live up to a parent. To me, much more intriguing than managing a kid who could be "OMG better than Superman one day!". Again this is just me, I get others don't even care one way or another.

[Superlad93]

Basically I don't care for the idea of any offspring of Kal-El having the potential to be more powerful than him. I think he should still be the gold standard, be it in actual practice and future potential. I suppose its a nitpick with me but its the way I feel with any major star of certain mythoi that is based around one central character. I didn't care for the idea that Gohan had more potential than Goku. I don't like the insinuation that other Amazons can be Wonder Woman. I didn't really care for the idea that there could be other Slayers at the same time who were just as good as Buffy. So it goes beyond just a Superman thing. Its just the way I'm wired I guess when it comes to my fiction when it comes to these types of set-ups.

I guess there's no real arguing that. I don't agree with it at all, but I can understand being wired that way just because.

To me one of the drawbacks, if one could call it a drawback, to being the Sons and/or Daughters of Superman is knowing that you will never be Superman. And to be honest I think there's cool pathos to be had there from a characterization end. Draw off the symbolic well of children trying to live up to a parent. To me, much more intriguing than managing a kid who could be "OMG better than Superman one day!". Again this is just me, I get others don't even care one way or another.

But I feel it's more symbolic of each new real-life generation being better in terms of advancements and knowledge than the one before. We now have the entire history of our plant in a 5 to 6 inch device in our back pockets that we sometimes drop getting out of the car. Our struggle is not getting too caught up in the weight of all of our collective capability, and instead put it to good use. Jon would then be the embodiment of that.

He (like all of us) needs to take all of his vast potential and put it to good use. He needs to live up to the moral standard that his father leaves him with, and that's something that can be hard. That feels more "Superman" to me personally.

[FishyZombie]

spoilers:

Well that seemingly rules out future Jonathan as a suspect for Mr. Oz. And Oz being Adrian Veidt seems to be a red herring. Jor El? Lex? Pariah? Bibbo? Idk. Damn this has me really stumped.

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[Superlad93]

spoilers:

Well that seemingly rules out future Jonathan as a suspect for Mr. Oz. And Oz being Adrian Veidt seems to be a red herring. Jor El? Lex? Pariah? Bibbo? Idk. Damn this has me really stumped.

end of spoilers

Damn, rules him out completely?! That's unexpected. How come?

[FishyZombie]

Damn, rules him out completely?! That's unexpected. How come?

spoilers:

we get a brief glimpse into the future where Jon is Superman and Damian is Batman. Doesn't nessesarilly mean he isn't Oz but it's enough to put some serious doubt in that theory

end of spoilers