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    Default Why do some people think Marvel Studios can do no wrong?

    I see so many people act like the mcu is total perfection and can never do anything wrong but I just disagree. Most odd their movies are honestly kinda mediocre. They're just average, fine whatever. Nothing unique about then save for their gimmick but not totally trash. Like I personally think Avengers is okay. I didn't really care much for a lot of the characters, the plot is painfully thin and drama pretty dull but still had great action and cast with solid acting from everyone. It wasn't pretentious and didn't try to be something it wasn't which I also appreciate. Yet I see so many people claim they make some of the best superhero movies

    It annoys me ever more when people claim they're comic accurate. Like they've made a ton of major changes Leo with the guardians and ant man. I roll my eyes whenever people whine about the X Men movies changing too much yet are fine with everything marvel has done because marvel can do no wrong

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    I disagree with you when you say they are average but I absolutely agree with the point you make. There are many cases where the source material is disrepsected. Hank Pym and Janet van Dyne are the biggest examples of this. Hope they make it up.

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    Whether you like it or not, whether you agree or not it is not the job of motion pictures to appeal to the comic book audience, in specific. If 100% of comic book readers completely boycotted all movies based upon comics, no one would notice.

    The audience has literally no idea why changes are made when translating a piece from one medium to another. Sometimes it's the writer's choice, sometimes the producer's. Sometimes characters are hung up in weird legal tangles where a name can't be used because of some bizarre conflict. There are hosts of invisible reasons and a host of simple differences of opinion but the bottom line is this:

    Comics are comics and movies are movies. they have a few things in common but the rules for movies (and TV) are not the same as those of comics and they never ever will be. No one is attempting to make a perfect copy of your favorite comic in movie form. No one. that is never attempted and therefore it can never be deemed a flaw or a failure when it doesn't happen.

    The MARVEL MCU paradigm is considered genius because it's new and it KEEPS SUCCEEDING. So much so that all the other major studios are trying to copy the model and create their own extended world franchises.

    You can continue to be grumpy about it or you can understand and accept the differences between mediums and have fun with the rest of us.

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    MCU has the Midas Touch.... It is what it is. (and I'm a hardcore X-MEN fan)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redjack View Post
    Whether you like it or not, whether you agree or not it is not the job of motion pictures to appeal to the comic book audience, in specific. If 100% of comic book readers completely boycotted all movies based upon comics, no one would notice.

    The audience has literally no idea why changes are made when translating a piece from one medium to another. Sometimes it's the writer's choice, sometimes the producer's. Sometimes characters are hung up in weird legal tangles where a name can't be used because of some bizarre conflict. There are hosts of invisible reasons and a host of simple differences of opinion but the bottom line is this:

    Comics are comics and movies are movies. they have a few things in common but the rules for movies (and TV) are not the same as those of comics and they never ever will be. No one is attempting to make a perfect copy of your favorite comic in movie form. No one. that is never attempted and therefore it can never be deemed a flaw or a failure when it doesn't happen.

    The MARVEL MCU paradigm is considered genius because it's new and it KEEPS SUCCEEDING. So much so that all the other major studios are trying to copy the model and create their own extended world franchises.

    You can continue to be grumpy about it or you can understand and accept the differences between mediums and have fun with the rest of us.
    Or be like me; grumpy but enjoys the movies. (out of the connected universes, the only ones that i havent liked are the Last Stand, Wolverine:Origins, and Man of Steel).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChildOfTheAtom View Post
    MCU has the Midas Touch.... It is what it is. (and I'm a hardcore X-MEN fan)
    Nah. They've had some misses: Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World. Even Age of Ultron.

    That said, given the cost of making these movies, commercial appeal is a very big consideration. Most of the MCU movies? They have mass appeal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rui no onna View Post
    Nah. They've had some misses: Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World.

    That said, given the cost of making these movies, commercial appeal is a very big consideration. Most of the MCU movies? They have mass appeal.
    I can argue and say Iron Man 3 was a big success. It made a lot of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rui no onna View Post
    Nah. They've had some misses: Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World.

    That said, given the cost of making these movies, commercial appeal is a very big consideration. Most of the MCU movies? They have mass appeal.
    Well, im pretty sure that Iron Man 3 has the largest box office for a solo superhero movie.

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    Until something better comes along, MCU is going to make bazillions with its action films. Just enjoy the ride. The day will eventually come when they won't have as large an audience. It happens to all movie genres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dboi2001 View Post
    I see so many people act like the mcu is total perfection and can never do anything wrong but I just disagree. Most odd their movies are honestly kinda mediocre. They're just average, fine whatever. Nothing unique about then save for their gimmick but not totally trash. Like I personally think Avengers is okay. I didn't really care much for a lot of the characters, the plot is painfully thin and drama pretty dull but still had great action and cast with solid acting from everyone. It wasn't pretentious and didn't try to be something it wasn't which I also appreciate. Yet I see so many people claim they make some of the best superhero movies

    It annoys me ever more when people claim they're comic accurate. Like they've made a ton of major changes Leo with the guardians and ant man. I roll my eyes whenever people whine about the X Men movies changing too much yet are fine with everything marvel has done because marvel can do no wrong
    Is anyone really saying they can do no wrong? When they do something wrong they usually get called out for it, like Avengers: Age of Ultron generally got less positive reviews than the first movie.

    It's true that most of their movies make money and none of them have gotten as negative a reception as Batman vs. Superman or X-Men: Apocalypse. But it's also arguable that none of their movies have been as rapturously reviewed as Wonder Woman or Logan.

    Kevin Feige knows how to turn out an entertaining superhero movie, and his formula produces movies that are not great art, but are good entertainment. People like them because they don't go into a PG-13 superhero blockbuster expecting great art, they just don't want to be bored or depressed, and Marvel pretty much guarantees an enjoyable experience.

    So what you say about Avengers is fair, but the same could be said about the plots of a lot of superhero comics. We aren't picking them up looking for something daring and new, we just want to see characters we like doing things that are fun. I'm not saying big corporate superhero stories can't be more than that, just that our expectations of them are not the same as for a serious drama. It's more like a James Bond or Indiana Jones movie or some other franchise film: we mostly know what's going to happen and the fun is in seeing how entertainingly it's done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rui no onna View Post
    Nah. They've had some misses: Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World. Even Age of Ultron.

    That said, given the cost of making these movies, commercial appeal is a very big consideration. Most of the MCU movies? They have mass appeal.
    And even their misses generally do well or are far better received compared to other movies, because of that mass appeal.

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    There track record when compared to the competition is much better.

    Really only have 3 stinkers. TIH/TDW/IM2

    Rest are average to great.

    And Fox has DP/DoFP/XM2/Logan/FC

    AoA/XM3/Wolverine/Wolverine Origins were all trash and XM was okay.

    Or Sony with SM/SM2 being good and great.

    ASM being okay and the dumpster fires the were SM3/ASM2.

    Or how DC with there extended universe right now is only swing 1 out of 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gurkle View Post
    Is anyone really saying they can do no wrong? When they do something wrong they usually get called out for it, like Avengers: Age of Ultron generally got less positive reviews than the first movie.

    It's true that most of their movies make money and none of them have gotten as negative a reception as Batman vs. Superman or X-Men: Apocalypse. But it's also arguable that none of their movies have been as rapturously reviewed as Wonder Woman or Logan.

    Kevin Feige knows how to turn out an entertaining superhero movie, and his formula produces movies that are not great art, but are good entertainment. People like them because they don't go into a PG-13 superhero blockbuster expecting great art, they just don't want to be bored or depressed, and Marvel pretty much guarantees an enjoyable experience.

    So what you say about Avengers is fair, but the same could be said about the plots of a lot of superhero comics. We aren't picking them up looking for something daring and new, we just want to see characters we like doing things that are fun. I'm not saying big corporate superhero stories can't be more than that, just that our expectations of them are not the same as for a serious drama. It's more like a James Bond or Indiana Jones movie or some other franchise film: we mostly know what's going to happen and the fun is in seeing how entertainingly it's done.
    In the X-board there is people saying that.

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    The reason is the worse MCU film is mediocre some might say bad but no disasters. WB, Fox, and Sony worse superhero films are absolute dumpster fires of messes and hence why Marvel Studios gets a pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonmp93 View Post
    In the X-board there is people saying that.
    And there are also people justifying all the mistakes Fox keep making in what has to be almost two decades of movies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jokerz79 View Post
    The reason is the worse MCU film is mediocre some might say bad but no disasters. WB, Fox, and Sony worse superhero films are absolute dumpster fires of messes and hence why Marvel Studios gets a pass.
    Yeah I agree with this.

    Still in terms of being close to the source material certainly the MCU is better than any of the other studios but even if they don't do it sometimes, they still manage to deliver something decent with their original script. That's why they get a pass in that aspect.

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