Sales figures for June

[Captain Craig]

Books below cancellation level of 20,000:

Captain America Sam Wilson
True Believers Amazing Spider-Man stated One-Shot Reprint
Ms. Marvel
Luke Cage
Royals
Ultimates2
Rocket
U.S. Avengers
Doctor Strange Sorcerers Supreme
Spider-Man 2099 Stated months ago it was ending at #23 I thought but I might just be misremembering, planned end at any rate.
Black Panther Crew
Hawkeye
Silver Surfer
Man-Thing stated mini at start
Nova
Nick Fury
America
Monsters Unleashed
Zombies Assemble
Elektra
Kingpin
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl
Occupy Avengers
Bullseye
True Believers Peter Parker stated One-Shot Reprint
Unstoppable Wasp
Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur Apparently Scholastic Sales somehow keep this title profitable in the face of all else
True Believers Miles Morales stated One-Shot Reprint

Taking the BOLD titles out of the equation it's 18 titles below the 20K line. Is that still a giant leap below the "cancel" line or just marginal?

[skyvolt2000]

There are some good titles in this list.

And if FANS tried those books instead of bashing them as a whole or encouraging boycotts of them based on who is on the cover-sales might be better.

As long as you got entitlement fans that act like Marvel is not allowed to have books beyond the chosen few-you see the results.


And if you look at trades-how does every Rebirth & Marvel book get beat by Motor Crush? A book reportedly not ordered by stores because it starred a black female?

And LOL a lot of the trade for those low seller appear in trade sales lists.

Yikes on those Forge numbers. Events certainly don't seem to be the mega money makers (300K+ copies per issue) that they used to be.

You have a book with a character named Duke Thomas-that has Inhuman level hate on him appearing to have a big role in the Batman lead event-that will lead to NEW folks getting series over fan favorites. Yeah those number would be lower than expected despite sniffing a second print for some reason.

But hey remember, there's no F4 book because it doesn't sell over 40k LOL.

Not one book on there has anything to do with that no matter how much FF fans want to scream it does.

[Pav]

hopefully David's run on Scarlet Spider is a lengthy one.

I hope this means you're buying it each month!

I celebrate every issue that Ultimates survives.

Me too - and if it doesn't survive, I hope it can transform into something similar yet new, and hopefully more sustainable. It's a wondrous book.

-Pav, who hopes everyone tries Scarlet Spider...

[Magneto]

Not one book on there has anything to do with that no matter how much FF fans want to scream it does.

I'm just saying that because somes users here still think that F4 was cancelled due to low sale.

[rui no onna]

And if you look at trades-how does every Rebirth & Marvel book get beat by Motor Crush? A book reportedly not ordered by stores because it starred a black female?

Motor Crush Vol. 1 (pretty good, btw) sold 5,010 copies. Most DC and Marvel books already sold 15K+ copies as floppies. In general, I think a lot of Image books sell better as trades than as floppies. The opposite is true for DC/Marvel with a few exceptions (e.g. DCSHG, Fables, Ms. Marvel, Moon Girl, Squirrel Girl, etc).

You have a book with a character named Duke Thomas-that has Inhuman level hate on him appearing to have a big role in the Batman lead event-that will lead to NEW folks getting series over fan favorites. Yeah those number would be lower than expected despite sniffing a second print for some reason.

I honestly doubt Duke Thomas's presence made a dent in those figures. You might have less than a thousand who boycotted the book because he was featured but that's ultimately negligible.

As for 2nd printings, the reason for that is most publishers don't overprint their books by a significant amount. Say preorders are 100K, publishers will print maybe 105-110K copies to cover damages and a few reorders. If there are sufficient reorders to justify a 2nd printing (much lower economies of scale), then they'll do that. That said, just because a book sold out at the distributor level doesn't mean there aren't plenty of unsold copies sitting in comic shops.

[Frontier]

It's hard to know to what extent Ewing doesn't sell and to what extent he gets books and casts that don't have a lot of sales potential. Probably a bit of both.

As for events, I fear like we're getting the worst of both worlds. Event fatigue is clearly real, but the events are selling well enough that Marvel is never going to give up doing them. I predict a lot more extra issues and extra artists and gimmicks used to wring as many sales as possible out of events.

I think his New Avengers was holding more steady then his USAvengers is, or compared to his other books, but there are probably a lot of factors going into that.

Ok, apparently, it was MJ month, not reused Jim Lee X-Men art. Not sure what the qualifier is for this specific variant but it's usually something like order 90-200% of a previous issue.

Maybe the theory that Mary Jane Watson on a cover really can bump up sales is true ?

[Iron Maiden]

I'm just saying that because somes users here still think that F4 was cancelled due to low sale.

Heck, just check out the SW sales figures I posted. Many of the main characters were from the Fantastic Four cast. 2 million total sales there.

BTW, glad to see Infamous Iron Man still pulling in some decent numbers.

[Drops Of Venus]

Me too - and if it doesn't survive, I hope it can transform into something similar yet new, and hopefully more sustainable. It's a wondrous book.

I think if Ultimates² is cancelled and U.S.Avengers suffers the same fate, they should merge the two and relaunch it as New Avengers, a more recognized title and, like I said, it seemed like it was the most stable book Ewing was writing, sales-wise (also, I shamelessly want Wiccan and Hulkling back). Maybe bring in a few A-listers so the roster can look more appealing and roll the dice.

[rui no onna]

Maybe the theory that Mary Jane Watson on a cover really can bump up sales is true ?

Not gonna lie, I bought this one and was sorely tempted by some of the others.

Invincible Iron Man #7 (28,266)
Invincible Iron Man #8 (33,428)

[Username taken]

Al Ewing's writing doesn't do it for me. At all.

His books are very talky and frankly boring.

Of course this is my opinion but I'm not inclined to buy any book with his name on it.

[lordozone]

And if FANS tried those books instead of bashing them as a whole or encouraging boycotts of them based on who is on the cover-sales might be better.

As long as you got entitlement fans that act like Marvel is not allowed to have books beyond the chosen few-you see the results.

Fans buy what they want and when they don't like a title, they vote with their wallets. You can insult them all you want, it will not change these facts. It's not their fault if a book doesn't sell, it's because it has not find his public.

[lollie_poppy]

Fans buy what they want and when they don't like a title, they vote with their wallets. You can insult them all you want, it will not change these facts. It's not their fault if a book doesn't sell, it's because it has not find his public.

Yeah it's true bashing doesn't impact that much.

All New Wolverine and Mighty Thor are doing well in sales, yet they were met with a lot of backlash specially Jane Foster.

The Inhumans were never popular, and I think three books for them it's too much, specially when the main book doesn't have BB and isn't even called Inhumans.

[Frontier]

Al Ewing's writing doesn't do it for me. At all.

His books are very talky and frankly boring.

Of course this is my opinion but I'm not inclined to buy any book with his name on it.

I haven't read it, but I'm under the impression that Ultimates is a very talky book.

By comparison his other Avengers books, or Royals, has a much more involved and active cast and action sequences.

[Ianbarreilles]

Yeah it's true bashing doesn't impact that much.

All New Wolverine and Mighty Thor are doing well in sales, yet they were met with a lot of backlash specially Jane Foster.

The Inhumans were never popular, and I think three books for them it's too much, specially when the main book doesn't have BB and isn't even called Inhumans.

The inhumans may have never have really popular but the fact that marvel is pushing them despite that and that they have faith in them and believe in them is something that's very admirable on their part honestly, the same can be said for Carol Danvers as captain marvel both sell terribly monthly and are more or less hated by most readers yet marvel continues to have faith in these characters and they believe in them despite all that and it's again very admirable I think brave even on their part for them to be that committed to these characters and supportive of them and for them to believe in and have faith in these characters despite how hated they are or how terribly they sell monthly.

[rui no onna]

Yeah it's true bashing doesn't impact that much.

All New Wolverine and Mighty Thor are doing well in sales, yet they were met with a lot of backlash specially Jane Foster.

The Inhumans were never popular, and I think three books for them it's too much, specially when the main book doesn't have BB and isn't even called Inhumans.

It's interesting to note that none of the Inhumans books have Inhuman in their title (at least not until the Priest mini).