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    Default Weakness: chaining the bracelets

    Lets see what Wonder Woman fans think.

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    I've said it before: I like the idea of Diana having a power loss weakness, but the weakness as presented in the old days just doesn't work.

    If a writer has a new take on this concept, I'll happily embrace it. But it needs to be updated to modern standards.

    Azz did a great job bringing back an updated version of one of Diana's Golden Age concepts when he invented "God Mode." That was a clear shout back to the old "berserker rage if the bracelets are removed" concept, and it was an interesting and modern variation on the concept.

    If a writer can do the same with Diana's power loss weakness, I'll be well pleased indeed.
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    To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

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    It's already been proven time and time again that bondage has no effect on her. Unless she's tied with her lasso, and that's only if we're assuming that it's unbreakable like her bracelets.

    But no...it's dumb, it's silly...let it rest where it lies!

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    Anybody who is that inept that she regularily gets herself tied up by her villains really does not need any crippling weaknesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carabas View Post
    Anybody who is that inept that she regularily gets herself tied up by her villains really does not need any crippling weaknesses.
    Only she's not that inept any longer.

    She also used to have a weakness for falling unconscious if someone tapped her on the back of the head. No need to bring that back.

    Now? Tying up Wonder Woman is an ENORMOUS undertaking. You need to either be fast enough to do it before she can stop you, or you need to be strong enough to physically overwhelm her, force her hands together, and secure the restraints. Or you need to be strong enough to beat her unconscious and THEN tie her.

    There aren't too many villains who can do all that. Oh, there are other ways. With the right planning a villain could force Diana to submit to being bound. "Put on these handcuffs, Wonder Woman, or this bus full of Girl Scouts blows up!"

    It's not as easily exploited as it used to be. Knocking her out is hard as Hell now. Out-speeding her is very unlikely. It's not as easy as in the Golden Age. Thus? It's not as easy to use.
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    Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
    One equal temper of heroic hearts,
    Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
    To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carabas View Post
    Anybody who is that inept that she regularily gets herself tied up by her villains really does not need any crippling weaknesses.
    QFT.

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    I'd like the weakness to be brought back with a modern twist. I don't want any old chains, rope, etc. to be able to de-power Diana but perhaps a special pair of chains created in Hephaestus' lair, an ancient Olympian binding spell, or maybe if the lasso is wrapped around both her wrists at the same time, that would do as well.
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    It's a stupid idea.

    I'm not a fan of silly power weaknesses in general, but the idea that the strongest woman in the world can be brought down by bondage strikes a nerve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Step View Post
    It's a stupid idea.

    I'm not a fan of silly power weaknesses in general, but the idea that the strongest woman in the world can be brought down by bondage strikes a nerve.
    Plus, it seems ridiculously easy to exploit and use against her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amazon Swordsman View Post
    Plus, it seems ridiculously easy to exploit and use against her.
    Read Post #5.

    No, chaining Wonder Woman isn't anything CLOSE to easy anymore.

    It was easy back in the day when Wonder Woman could be knocked out by being tapped on the back of her head. Today? When you need to deliver enough blunt force to level three city blocks to knock her out? Not so much.
    Though much is taken, much abides; and though
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
    One equal temper of heroic hearts,
    Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
    To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

    --Lord Alfred Tennyson--

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard-01 View Post
    Only she's not that inept any longer.
    But she will be again if that weakness is brought back, otherwise, what's the point of a weakness that never comes up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carabas View Post
    But she will be again if that weakness is brought back, otherwise, what's the point of a weakness that never comes up?
    She doesn't get knocked out from a tap on the head anymore. She's an amazingly skilled fighter with superstrength and superspeed. Forcibly chaining her won't be easy.

    An enemy wanting to use the weakness has to be clever in order to make use of it. Only a select few villains have what it takes to just beat her down and chain her.

    She doesn't have to be inept. The writers just need to write the villains as being clever.
    Though much is taken, much abides; and though
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
    One equal temper of heroic hearts,
    Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
    To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

    --Lord Alfred Tennyson--

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    Yes, bring it back
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard-01 View Post
    Read Post #5.

    No, chaining Wonder Woman isn't anything CLOSE to easy anymore.

    It was easy back in the day when Wonder Woman could be knocked out by being tapped on the back of her head. Today? When you need to deliver enough blunt force to level three city blocks to knock her out? Not so much.
    Okay, so if she's tied up, how is that gonna work? Does she lose her powers completely? Or does she just get a significant reduction in strength? And how will she break from bondage to escape?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard-01 View Post
    She doesn't get knocked out from a tap on the head anymore. She's an amazingly skilled fighter with superstrength and superspeed. Forcibly chaining her won't be easy.
    It's difficult to bind her because she doesn't have a weakness related to bondage anymore. As soon as some terminally nostalgic nitwit brings it back she's going to be tied up about as often as Superman's various weaknesses crop up.

    An enemy wanting to use the weakness has to be clever in order to make use of it. Only a select few villains have what it takes to just beat her down and chain her.
    If they can beat her down they don't need to chain her.

    She doesn't have to be inept. The writers just need to write the villains as being clever.
    Fall for that once, shame on the villain. Fall for it 5 times, shame on Diana.

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