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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Gato View Post
    In my view number of solo issues tells us more about DC/Marvel treatment of female characters than the overall number of appearances does. With a solo title the female character in question is undeniably the main attraction whereas with teams that isn't the case. Most of the time the ensemble cast or a popular male character (Wolverine, Batman...etc) is the draw.

    There's also the fact that DC publishes less comics than Marvel, and has done so for a while now, which would explain why Storm and Jean have more appearances than Wonder Woman.
    Case to case basis, the only reason why wonder woman solo went on and on because dc had to keep on using her to continue to own her. And of course being connected to the two very popular heroes alreadym Superman and Batmab, gave her more recognition and popularity. Other comic companies have givoen their characters their own ongoing but y'all ignoring it. Like Witchblade, etc. And r u telling me that since Dazzler and some DC ladies had more ongoing solos than Storm make them more popular than her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyderbytes View Post
    Wow, so Mera is going to make a small appearance in the Justice League movie and receive plenty of merchandise while Black Widow, who has been a mainstay in the MCU for almost 8 years, is only just now starting to get a few toys.
    Welp, DC did have the benefit of being able to see the backlash Marvel got over this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carabas View Post
    Welp, DC did have the benefit of being able to see the backlash Marvel got over this.
    Not to mention seeing how much money Wonder Woman made them. If they can build up Mera as a merchandisable character in the same vein of regal heroism, maybe even spin her off into a movie of her own some day, they'd be nuts not to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RLAAMJR. View Post
    There are significances on teambooks and events which are far more memorable than stories found on ongoing solos. And the fact that those teambooks sell and they appeared just goes to show that those characters are still there, whether they did something or nothing significant at all. Their appearances simply mean they are significant.

    That is why Storm is still considered the most popular black character because of consistents appearances. Which explains why Storm is more known as a leader than other female leaders because of always being a leader on teambooks. So please , do not ignore the importance of apperances especially on teambooks some posters simply ignore because they just count the number of issues on the ongoing solos.
    Dude, is it because she is Black? So saying with most of the lead males being White and no care for the Black male instead he is replaced by a Black woman.

    So what about White girls? They do not get their own representation? Most of those White girls praise Rogue instead if Storm. You know that. Who do you think always put Wonder Woman against Rogue? White girls.

    Now they are trying to make Captain Marvel and put her on the same pedestal, but that seemly is failing due to how they are writing and drawing her. They better hope the movie doesn't flop. If it does, then good bye to them focusing on lead females and that means they might just focus on the males like how X-Men had to draw focus on Cyclops, Wolverine, Professor X, Magneto, and while the others were fillers.

    This is just Marvel not in the same footsteps as DC Comics would.

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    A lot of the lack of actions figures of Black Widow can be traced back to Ike Perlmutter. Just look to Iron Man 3 originally Rebecca Hall's Maya was the real main villain Hall has confirmed this but apparently Perlmutter vetoed feeling boys wouldn't buy a female action figure. Perlmutter also was against Black Panther and Captain Marvel movies which are a few of the reasons Feige went to Disney to get him out of Marvel Studios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RLAAMJR. View Post
    Storm isnt really a wallpaper in xmen gold. We just want her to do more. And being on that book means she's not MIA and has chances of being used on other books thats why we see her in BP's crew, BP's ongoing solo as well as Miss America's. Look at Fantastic Four. The book isnt popular but if it continue to have an issue evry month, we wouldnt say they are absent in comics, etc.
    Only recently has she not been wallpaper, but in the early 2000's she was. It's no longer the 90's, Storm is not as popular as she was and Marvel has no incentive to try and make her that popular again.

    Your last point makes no sense, I have no idea what you're trying to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLAAMJR. View Post
    Better treatment on the ladies then I would say DC did better but whose got more popular superheroines, Marvel takes it.
    That statement there is a nail biter there. Marvel hasn't really sold many girls nor had solo girls for them to sell. DC girls would buy Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Catwoman, etc. Sorry, the truth is out there.

    Most Marvel action figures during the 90's were bought were usually the male characters and the girl characters would be skipped. The girls would rather buy the DC girls and would get the Barbie doll versions. Marvel's women need to step it up. If Captain Marvel doesn't do well like I said, they might just throw the lead women idea in the garbage and focus on their male characters instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokerz79 View Post
    A lot of the lack of actions figures of Black Widow can be traced back to Ike Perlmutter. Just look to Iron Man 3 originally Rebecca Hall's Maya was the real main villain Hall has confirmed this but apparently Perlmutter vetoed feeling boys wouldn't buy a female action figure. Perlmutter also was against Black Panther and Captain Marvel movies which are a few of the reasons Feige went to Disney to get him out of Marvel Studios.
    Not a Perlmutter defender but his logic in the Iron Man case does make sense, there's nothing action figure worthy about Maya but admittedly same can be said for Killian lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkseidpwns View Post
    Not a Perlmutter defender but his logic in the Iron Man case does make sense, there's nothing action figure worthy about Maya but admittedly same can be said for Killian lol.
    Did Killian even end up getting any action figures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimz View Post
    Only recently has she not been wallpaper, but in the early 2000's she was. It's no longer the 90's, Storm is not as popular as she was and Marvel has no incentive to try and make her that popular again.

    You're last point makes no sense, I have no idea what you're trying to say.
    He will keep coming back with his Storm fanboy. He will not listen, so it's best to just turn the cheek and let him continue to hit the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyssane View Post
    Did Killian even end up getting any action figures?
    Sorry for the double post. No, but Mandarin did!

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5R_n4Yh6zq...Per+Case+2.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokerz79 View Post
    A lot of the lack of actions figures of Black Widow can be traced back to Ike Perlmutter. Just look to Iron Man 3 originally Rebecca Hall's Maya was the real main villain Hall has confirmed this but apparently Perlmutter vetoed feeling boys wouldn't buy a female action figure. Perlmutter also was against Black Panther and Captain Marvel movies which are a few of the reasons Feige went to Disney to get him out of Marvel Studios.
    A lot of everything that is negative about Marvel, both comics and movies, can be traced back to that guy.
    Cudos to Disney to actually doing this and removing his influence from at least the movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkseidpwns View Post
    Not a Perlmutter defender but his logic in the Iron Man case does make sense, there's nothing action figure worthy about Maya but admittedly same can be said for Killian lol.
    They didn't make a Killian action figure, so there wasn't really any reason whatsoever not to have Maya as the main villain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyssane View Post
    Did Killian even end up getting any action figures?
    Nopes,LMAO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by portland_breakers101 View Post
    That statement there is a nail biter there. Marvel hasn't really sold many girls nor had solo girls for them to sell. DC girls would buy Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Catwoman, etc. Sorry, the truth is out there.

    Most Marvel action figures during the 90's were bought were usually the male characters and the girl characters would be skipped. The girls would rather buy the DC girls and would get the Barbie doll versions. Marvel's women need to step it up. If Captain Marvel doesn't do well like I said, they might just throw the lead women idea in the garbage and focus on their male characters instead.
    I think this is correct. I thought Marvel doesn't promote X-Women merch after the Disney buyout but an older X-Fan told me that apparently even in the 90's, at the height of the franchise's popularity, the women got the short end of the stick when it came to merchandise. That's just pathetic to hear. I saw a reader poll in one of the 90's comics regarding which Marvel character was the most popular and Rogue came 4th only to Spider-Man, Wolverine and Gambit. Storm had actually beaten Wonder Woman in the polling that decided the winner for the match-ups in the Marvel vs. DC crossover. Elektra had beaten Catwoman too. It's tragic to see the popularity of these once great powerhouses being squandered like this.

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