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    Quote Originally Posted by FFJamie94 View Post
    I just picked up the rest of this series in trades. I plan on reading the original Lein run and making my way up to the end of Moore's run.
    I also read the Bronze Age omnibus before Moore’s run and enjoyed it much more than expected. But Moore’s run is a different level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliehustle415 View Post
    Honestly I am flabbergasted at how good it is.

    I may have shrugged it off because I was thinking of the TMNT cartoons from when I was a kid, but hot damn is this stellar writing.
    I've been eyeing some of these 90s properties that I've always written off as not-for-me, including TMNT, Power Rangers, etc. Are these TMNT comics good? How old are the collections you're reading? Are they like good for their time, like Lobdell in the 90s, or like actually good? I'd be interested in checking it out.

    Anyone reading the Power Rangers comics? Are the current dual ongoing series a good jumping on point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxy View Post
    I also read the Bronze Age omnibus before Moore’s run and enjoyed it much more than expected. But Moore’s run is a different level.
    I started the first volume yesterday (I have the Bronze Age trade in 3 volumes), it's pretty good so far. The art is great, honestly one of the high points of the series).
    I'm going to try and read an issue a day or something, I have a lot of other comics on my burner as well so it helps to get myself back into a comic reading groove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newparisian View Post
    I've been eyeing some of these 90s properties that I've always written off as not-for-me, including TMNT, Power Rangers, etc. Are these TMNT comics good? How old are the collections you're reading? Are they like good for their time, like Lobdell in the 90s, or like actually good? I'd be interested in checking it out.

    Anyone reading the Power Rangers comics? Are the current dual ongoing series a good jumping on point?
    So this particular series is a complete reboot of the TMNT franchise that started around the 2010's and it is really good.

    It is not related to the 90's stuff at all, this is basically the Ultimate Marvel Universe of TMNT.

    Ideas and characters have been redone to fit the modern world.

    I don't wanna say too much because it will spoil it, but trust me when I say it was pretty surprising that's why I am hooked on it.

    The collections that I am reading are the IDW collection that puts the entire run into proper reading order with all of the miniseries and one shots and its a great way to read them.

    There are a total of 13 volumes that collect the entire series by Eastman and Waltz, after the 13th volume the series was taken over by another writer.

    I haven't read any of the Power Rangers but I have heard good things maybe someone else can speak on it.

    Hope this helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliehustle415 View Post
    So this particular series is a complete reboot of the TMNT franchise that started around the 2010's and it is really good.

    It is not related to the 90's stuff at all, this is basically the Ultimate Marvel Universe of TMNT.

    Ideas and characters have been redone to fit the modern world.

    I don't wanna say too much because it will spoil it, but trust me when I say it was pretty surprising that's why I am hooked on it.

    The collections that I am reading are the IDW collection that puts the entire run into proper reading order with all of the miniseries and one shots and its a great way to read them.

    There are a total of 13 volumes that collect the entire series by Eastman and Waltz, after the 13th volume the series was taken over by another writer.

    I haven't read any of the Power Rangers but I have heard good things maybe someone else can speak on it.

    Hope this helps
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    As I'm reading Swamp Thing Bronze age Vol 1, I'm also planning on going back to Amazing Spider-Man epic vol 5 in anticipation for volume 6 next month (it's been a while since I read it last, luckily it doesn't seem I'm forgetting all that much).
    Also got the Incal on the back burner, I should get back to that soon.

    While not reading in collected editions, I have been going through all of Ultimate Spider-Man for the last few months (I'm very slowly getting to the end). Got the second Venom saga and Ultimatum coming up, so I'm reading Ultimate Origins to prepare (I also realise there's a kind of follow up to that story in the second USM volume).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxy View Post
    Haha thanks for your empathy I have not purchased every single title but I do have a lot, including X-O Manowar (Venditti and Kindt), Bloodshot / Bloodshot Reborn, Rai, Harbinger, Unity, Britannia etc.

    I do not have any Archer & Armstrong and some other titles. I have read some books already and liked them but I wanted to have the integrated reading experience. I will report back in the thread where everybody posts what they read and rates it

    Here are my suggestions......But, to start off, I'll say the VEI reboot of Valiant began with a lot of potential, but it never really reached the heights it should have. Regardless, some of the titles are still well worth a read.

    X-O Manowar was pretty good for the first two trades (issues 1-8). The X-O origin story is pretty strong (albeit pretty much a direct remake of the original 90s comic), and Ninjak's intro is pretty badass....After that, it kind of goes downhill and just feels weak, until you get to Armor Hunters. That was surprisingly not bad (Not great, but not bad). It's a worthwhile storyline to check out, but I'd only suggest the X-O & main Armor Hunters issues. All the tie-ins were mediocre, at best......As for Kindt's run/relaunch, I tried the first few issues and couldn't get into it at all. I thought it was crap.

    Swierczynski's Bloodshot run was decent, and is required reading to get into Harbinger Wars, which is one of the primary highlights of the VEI reboot.....After that, it becomes Bloodshot & HARDCorps, by Christos Gage & Joshua Dysart. The first Bloodshot & HC arc/trade is pretty good, and is an integral follow-up to Harbinger Wars. The second arc I didn't like at all, then there was a cross-over with Archer & Armstrong which was downright horrible. I gave up on the title after that.........I never read Bloodshot Reborn. I think I might've tried a single issue out and wasn't interested, so, either way, I can't comment on it. It seemed to be more popular than Swierczynski's run, in terms of sales.

    Rai is OK. It starts off with an interesting premise and lots of potential, but kind of feels like it flounders with what turns out to be a somewhat pedestrian storyline. The artwork is great, though, and I'd say the title is still worth reading. I'm talking the Kindt/Crain run, and this includes the 4001AD event.......The relaunch, I remember being crap. I'd say that about almost all the Valiant titles, though. Once you go toward the ownership change (When Dinesh Shamdasani was booted out like he was in a cheap TV show storyline), almost all the titles sucked.

    Harbinger is worth reading the entire way through, although issues 5-8 or so, when the new allies appear, are kind of annoying to read. I think it's intentional, as teens can come across as annoying to adults. Dysart made the comic realistic in that aspect. Then there was a 2-issue or so dream sequence after Harbinger Wars which was crappy, but then it gets good again......I definitely recommend Imperium, which is the follow-up to Harbinger, and The Life and Death of Toyo Harada, which is essentially the conclusion to the entire Dysart run and is pretty damn good. Only problem with Imperium is the final 3-4 issues are real weak (Almost feel phoned in), but Life and Death of Toyo Harada more than makes up for that.....Of course, Harbinger Wars is fantastic. Harbinger Wars 2, which occurs around the time of the change in ownership of the comic company, is pretty crappy. I'd avoid that, as well as the Harbinger relaunch (Harbinger Renegade by Rafer Roberts).

    I didn't like Unity at all, pretty much saw it as wasted potential. It was supposed to be the Justice League of Valiant, but it was crap.

    Britannia I never read, so I can't comment on it.

    I do suggest these titles:

    Archer & Armstrong by Fred Van Lente. I'd suggest the first two story-arcs, which are pretty good. Also the third, as it includes A&A #0, which is kind of integral to the series. After that, it goes downhill (Especially the Bloodshot crossover, which I wish I could delete from my memory banks). The final arc, "American Wasteland" (vol 6), is worth reading, just to see what happens in the conclusion of the series, but it's not as good as the first two-three arcs ......And avoid the relaunch by Rafer Roberts, it's horrible......There were two A&A one-shots by Van Lente, Immortal Brothers: The Tale of the Green Knight and Armstrong and the Vault of Spirits, but you might have to just get the single issues as I think the only collected book these two issues were in was the deluxe hardcover that consisted of the Rafer Roberts relaunch.

    Ivar, Timewalker by Fred Van Lente....This is meant to be read after Van Lente's A&A title, and is one of the best comics in the entire VEI reboot. It has a strong Doctor Who vibe to it.

    Divinity, the first two arcs are just OK, but the third and final arc, Stalinverse, is pretty good and more than makes up for it.

    War Mother is a pretty good limited series by Van Lente. It was a tie-in to 4001AD.

    Stay away from Dead Drop, Book of Death, The Valiant, the Ninjak titles, the Faith titles, Livewire, Shadowman, etc....They're all crap. The very first arc of Shadowman (Birth Rites), by Justin Jordan & Patrick Zircher, is OK, but isn't as good as it should've been. I remember Shadowman #5 & #0 (Justin Jordan run) both being pretty good issues, but they're part of other trades wherein the rest of the issues are mediocre, to say the least. If you can get those two single issues, I'd suggest them.

    Those are my opinions on Valiant (Not counting the original 90s version of the company run by Jim Shooter). Hopefully that'll help if you decide to try any further titles out.
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    Isnít VEI as good as dead now? read somewhere they donít really have much interest in the comic book side, I got about the first 30 deluxe editions that came and I really enjoyed most of them, then for some reason I stopped enjoying them and I sold them all off (at a good price too)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellboydce View Post
    Isnít VEI as good as dead now? read somewhere they donít really have much interest in the comic book side, I got about the first 30 deluxe editions that came and I really enjoyed most of them, then for some reason I stopped enjoying them and I sold them all off (at a good price too)
    They're still releasing comics, but the current owners of VEI are in it for IP rights for potential films. I can't remember who they are, a Hong Kong investment firm or something......On the comics side, for example, they just started Ninjak by Jeff Parker. Although I liked some of Parker's past work with Marvel Comics (Agents Of Atlas, for one), I couldn't get into the first issue, particularly due to the art. Really, the only good comic released under the new owners was The Life and Death of Toyo Harada, but that was planned and written before the take-over so it kind of doesn't count. The publishing of that title under the new owners was due to timing more than anything else. Dysart left Valiant after the take-over, he and a lot of the other original VEI talent liked Dinesh Shamdasani and had a bad taste in their mouths over what happened.

    I'm not a diehard Valiant fan, nor do I have any attachment to Dinesh's story (Although it's a shame what happened with him, and the new owners definitely made a dick move).....If the newer titles were legitimately good, I'd read them, regardless. They're just not good, from what I've noticed.

    Dinesh made the mistake of giving that investment firm partial ownership. He did such because he wanted more capital to be able to get the Valiant characters into films. The investment firm screwed him over, they ended up with a slight majority of ownership and kicked him out. I assume he got a pay-off, but I don't remember. He probably had an NDA afterward, because I don't think he ever went full throttle in an interview to talk about it. He just made tweets, shortly afterward, showing himself on vacation at a beach resort, lol.

    Judging by the Bloodshot movie, though, the whole intention of putting Valiant into film was a shoddy attempt. That movie was horrible, just a basic Vin Diesel action film with comic book elements thrown in. Dinesh was involved with the film and was hyping it up, so I don't know how the whole IP rights to the new ownership is going. There must have been a clause that gave Dinesh film rights to Bloodshot. I think the new owners retained film rights for Harbinger because the original plan for the Valiant films was to release a Bloodshot film, then release a Harbinger film, and join the storylines together with a subsequent Harbinger Wars movie. That got scrapped, I assume due to different film rights after the VEI take-over.

    Dinesh started up another comic company called Bad Idea. I've tried a few titles out and couldn't get into any of them......There was some hype with the titles because there was a limit on how many could be sold by stores, among a few other distribution limitations, so they were popping up on eBay at high prices.

    Even the way VEI started up the Valiant relaunch around 10 years ago was kind of weird. Dinesh Shamdasani was a huge Valiant Comics fan back when he was a kid in the 90s, and he inherited a huge amount of money during adulthood. Dinesh and Jason Kothari had to go through an arduous process to buy Valiant and start up VEI, and they started off by bringing in Jim Shooter, the original owner of Valiant, and released some deluxe hardcovers of the old 90s stuff, with Shooter adding in new short stories to each book. It was X-O, Harbinger, and I think A&A. I'm pretty sure Dinesh brought Shooter in not only due to his past work with Valiant, but also to bring back the Gold Key properties Shooter had with the original 90s company (Magnus Robot Fighter, Solar, and Turok).....That went to shit because Shooter had a major falling out with them, and took his options for the Gold Key properties to Dark Horse and released his own comics under DH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramsay Snow View Post
    Here are my suggestions......But, to start off, I'll say the VEI reboot of Valiant began with a lot of potential, but it never really reached the heights it should have. Regardless, some of the titles are still well worth a read.

    X-O Manowar was pretty good for the first two trades (issues 1-8). The X-O origin story is pretty strong (albeit pretty much a direct remake of the original 90s comic), and Ninjak's intro is pretty badass....After that, it kind of goes downhill and just feels weak, until you get to Armor Hunters. That was surprisingly not bad (Not great, but not bad). It's a worthwhile storyline to check out, but I'd only suggest the X-O & main Armor Hunters issues. All the tie-ins were mediocre, at best......As for Kindt's run/relaunch, I tried the first few issues and couldn't get into it at all. I thought it was crap.

    Swierczynski's Bloodshot run was decent, and is required reading to get into Harbinger Wars, which is one of the primary highlights of the VEI reboot.....After that, it becomes Bloodshot & HARDCorps, by Christos Gage & Joshua Dysart. The first Bloodshot & HC arc/trade is pretty good, and is an integral follow-up to Harbinger Wars. The second arc I didn't like at all, then there was a cross-over with Archer & Armstrong which was downright horrible. I gave up on the title after that.........I never read Bloodshot Reborn. I think I might've tried a single issue out and wasn't interested, so, either way, I can't comment on it. It seemed to be more popular than Swierczynski's run, in terms of sales.

    Rai is OK. It starts off with an interesting premise and lots of potential, but kind of feels like it flounders with what turns out to be a somewhat pedestrian storyline. The artwork is great, though, and I'd say the title is still worth reading. I'm talking the Kindt/Crain run, and this includes the 4001AD event.......The relaunch, I remember being crap. I'd say that about almost all the Valiant titles, though. Once you go toward the ownership change (When Dinesh Shamdasani was booted out like he was in a cheap TV show storyline), almost all the titles sucked.

    Harbinger is worth reading the entire way through, although issues 5-8 or so, when the new allies appear, are kind of annoying to read. I think it's intentional, as teens can come across as annoying to adults. Dysart made the comic realistic in that aspect. Then there was a 2-issue or so dream sequence after Harbinger Wars which was crappy, but then it gets good again......I definitely recommend Imperium, which is the follow-up to Harbinger, and The Life and Death of Toyo Harada, which is essentially the conclusion to the entire Dysart run and is pretty damn good. Only problem with Imperium is the final 3-4 issues are real weak (Almost feel phoned in), but Life and Death of Toyo Harada more than makes up for that.....Of course, Harbinger Wars is fantastic. Harbinger Wars 2, which occurs around the time of the change in ownership of the comic company, is pretty crappy. I'd avoid that, as well as the Harbinger relaunch (Harbinger Renegade by Rafer Roberts).

    I didn't like Unity at all, pretty much saw it as wasted potential. It was supposed to be the Justice League of Valiant, but it was crap.

    Britannia I never read, so I can't comment on it.

    I do suggest these titles:

    Archer & Armstrong by Fred Van Lente. I'd suggest the first two story-arcs, which are pretty good. Also the third, as it includes A&A #0, which is kind of integral to the series. After that, it goes downhill (Especially the Bloodshot crossover, which I wish I could delete from my memory banks). The final arc, "American Wasteland" (vol 6), is worth reading, just to see what happens in the conclusion of the series, but it's not as good as the first two-three arcs ......And avoid the relaunch by Rafer Roberts, it's horrible......There were two A&A one-shots by Van Lente, Immortal Brothers: The Tale of the Green Knight and Armstrong and the Vault of Spirits, but you might have to just get the single issues as I think the only collected book these two issues were in was the deluxe hardcover that consisted of the Rafer Roberts relaunch.

    Ivar, Timewalker by Fred Van Lente....This is meant to be read after Van Lente's A&A title, and is one of the best comics in the entire VEI reboot. It has a strong Doctor Who vibe to it.

    Divinity, the first two arcs are just OK, but the third and final arc, Stalinverse, is pretty good and more than makes up for it.

    War Mother is a pretty good limited series by Van Lente. It was a tie-in to 4001AD.

    Stay away from Dead Drop, Book of Death, The Valiant, the Ninjak titles, the Faith titles, Livewire, Shadowman, etc....They're all crap. The very first arc of Shadowman (Birth Rites), by Justin Jordan & Patrick Zircher, is OK, but isn't as good as it should've been. I remember Shadowman #5 & #0 (Justin Jordan run) both being pretty good issues, but they're part of other trades wherein the rest of the issues are mediocre, to say the least. If you can get those two single issues, I'd suggest them.

    Those are my opinions on Valiant (Not counting the original 90s version of the company run by Jim Shooter). Hopefully that'll help if you decide to try any further titles out.
    Thanks for taking the time - I have a lot of those books (both the good and bas ones haha) but I may look into some of those stories that are not in Deluxe format.

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    Very interesting read, thanks, it is a shame as I was a huge Valiant fan back in the 90’s and I did enjoy the new stuff, it was nice to get in on something from the start but it just didn’t hold my interest

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    Quote Originally Posted by newparisian View Post
    You mean the fat chick line? Even taking the, I guess, body shaming or whatever out of it, how is that a funny line? Are big girls known to be jinxes?? I honestly don't know if that's like a saying or something.

    And the Spidey "daddy" line and the Cap line weren't intended as jokes in-story, but rather as badass beatdown moments. They're funny to us in hindsight because we're laughing AT it, but I'm sure that's not what Millar was fully intending with those.

    The only Millar books I really like are his entire Jupiter's Legacy/Jupiter's Circle line, along with The Magic Order. Well, and his two original Kick-Ass runs were OK. I've read some of his other MillarWorld titles, such as Starlight, Reborn, Prodigy, The Secret Service, and Chrononauts. I didn't regret reading them (They kept my interest), but I didn't particularly like them all that much. I will say I didn't like Sharkey, Nemesis, nor Wanted....Anything I read from his work on Marvel (Ultimates, Old Man Logan, FF), I didn't like at all. Old Man Logan, in particular, was downright horrible. His FF run had some good moments, but, overall, was disappointing.

    I forgot to add, out of what little I read of his DC work, I did like Red Son.


    Quote Originally Posted by charliehustle415 View Post
    Honestly I am flabbergasted at how good it is.

    I may have shrugged it off because I was thinking of the TMNT cartoons from when I was a kid, but hot damn is this stellar writing.

    Interesting, I'll give the first collection a try, then go from there.

    Quote Originally Posted by FFJamie94 View Post
    Also got the Incal on the back burner, I should get back to that soon.

    I found The Incal to be extremely disappointing. Even without the expectations I had going in, it was one of those series I had to really force myself to read because I didn't enjoy it at all. It was creative/influential for its time, but not the work of art some people make it out to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxy View Post
    Thanks for taking the time - I have a lot of those books (both the good and bas ones haha) but I may look into some of those stories that are not in Deluxe format.
    It'll be interesting to see what you think of them.



    Quote Originally Posted by Hellboydce View Post
    Very interesting read, thanks, it is a shame as I was a huge Valiant fan back in the 90’s and I did enjoy the new stuff, it was nice to get in on something from the start but it just didn’t hold my interest

    Yeah, when VEI stated up it was kind of fun having a new shared superhero universe, but most of it eventually fell flat. In particular, Venditti's X-O.....Again, the first two arcs were fine, then he goes into Planet Death, which felt somewhat one-note. Aric attacking The Vine and destroying them, OK. I figured Venditti was just giving some fans a bland, action-oriented arc and would go back to something better, later, but then we have that lame storyline where he creates his own nation on earth with the human refugees from The Vine's ships. Venditti had a world of potential, a new universe with all sorts of stories he could start from scratch, and he gave us that lame crap.

    Then Armor Hunters was OK, but even that didn't live up to any of the potential the series had.

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    Yesterday, I read Silver Surfer Black. Now, I'm reading Elektra Assassin. Soon, Gantz Omnibus 1
    "The Batman is Gotham City. I will watch him. Study him. And when I know him and why he does not kill, I will know this city. And then Gotham will be MINE!"-BANE

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    I read the Umbrella Academy library editions over the weekend. While they were fun, I think the show is much better in many regards (shocker!!!).

    Tonight I will start on Al Ewing's Ultimates run, which I happen to have in a custom oversized omnibus that I bought off ebay once.

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