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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuck View Post
    I'm not interpreting. He explicitly says it.
    As I already asked: panel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nose norton View Post
    As I already asked: panel?
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    I was always under the impression that Peter had his first time with MJ at the end of the original Clone Saga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCordo74 View Post
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    And it was repeated later in the story when he confronted the twins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCordo74 View Post
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    That phrase can be finished in any number of ways, other than the most obvious one. It all depends on what you want to prove. Had JMS intended it to be a clear declaration, he would've kept going for a few words more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nose norton View Post
    That phrase can be finished in any number of ways, other than the most obvious one. It all depends on what you want to prove. Had JMS intended it to be a clear declaration, he would've kept going for a few words more.
    Sure..lol...whatever you want...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bor View Post
    And it was repeated later in the story when he confronted the twins.
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    This one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nose norton View Post
    That phrase can be finished in any number of ways, other than the most obvious one. It all depends on what you want to prove. Had JMS intended it to be a clear declaration, he would've kept going for a few words more.
    This is why comics are an inferior medium.

    Any artifice is read as wiggle room. It sucks all the life out of the storytelling.

    In comics, if you don't tell, definitively and with an unimpeachable narrator, nothing is true.

    Good Lord.


    And yeah, JMS probably wrote it that way because in comics that leaves a tiny crack for someone to alter it in the future. Doesn't mean JMS meant it to be ambiguous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCordo74 View Post
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    This one?
    Another truncated phrase, don't you start to see a pattern?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuck View Post
    This is why comics are an inferior medium.

    Any artifice is read as wiggle room. It sucks all the life out of the storytelling.

    In comics, if you don't tell, definitively and with an unimpeachable narrator, nothing is true.

    Good Lord.


    And yeah, JMS probably wrote it that way because in comics that leaves a tiny crack for someone to alter it in the future. Doesn't mean JMS meant it to be ambiguous.
    Wiggle room is very important, when we're talking about an story, which had editorial interference, ambiguity can be seen as a compromise.

    Generalisations can be so off base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nose norton View Post
    Another truncated phrase, don't you start to see a pattern?
    Whatever you want to believe. Its all up to interpretation.

    I was just providing the panels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nose norton View Post
    Another truncated phrase, don't you start to see a pattern?
    It's literally written right there on the page. Peter did not test his own DNA because he knew Gwen and him never had sex. He would have tested his own DNA if he knew they had sex before. He did not test his DNA therefore they did not have sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xpyred View Post
    It's literally written right there on the page. Peter did not test his own DNA because he knew Gwen and him never had sex. He would have tested his own DNA if he knew they had sex before. He did not test his DNA therefore they did not have sex.
    Why is this even up for discussion? I don't think Sins Past is even canon, much less if many creators even care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suemorphplus209 View Post
    Why is this even up for discussion? I don't think Sins Past is even canon, much less if many creators even care.
    Gabriel Stacy showed up post-OMD.

    Don't know if any references have been mad since Secret Wars . . . but Marvel really hasn't used that to erase anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nose norton View Post
    Another truncated phrase, don't you start to see a pattern?
    Yeah the pattern seems to be you just dont want it to be true. Its not just a truncated phrase its a more subtle way of not just saying "he never ..... our mom". There really is no doubt here. Creators has even confirmed it in various interviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bor View Post
    Yeah the pattern seems to be you just dont want it to be true. Its not just a truncated phrase its a more subtle way of not just saying "he never ..... our mom". There really is no doubt here. Creators has even confirmed it in various interviews.
    Besides from what I remember Gwen and Peter had a fairly old fashioned innocent romance. So it's not far from the realm of possibilities that they didn't have sex yet. Nothing wrong with that.

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