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    I hope the plot isn't set in the '80's. We've already got the origin wrapped up in WW1, no real need to keep delving into past history rather than move forward.

    Going into the past will just point out how Wonder Woman didn't do anything during WW2 or the Korean War or the Vietnam War. Where was she during these conflicts, and why didn't she act upon them? Where was she and what did she do after 9/11? How come terrorism is so prevalent with the superheroes on watch, like Wonder Woman? They should move forward rather than staying in the past.

    Also, it just reinforces the belief, to me, that we will still not see her 'arc' of discovering flight. Logically, if we do not see flight in the Justice League movie, we cannot have it in a time period before the Justice League happened.

    So much for the fan theories that suggested she will learn to fly in her other movies. Maybe when her 3rd or 4th movie comes out in a time period past the Justice League movies can this 'arc' happen. I'm not gonna hold my breath on that one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiteTheBullet View Post
    I hope the plot isn't set in the '80's. We've already got the origin wrapped up in WW1, no real need to keep delving into past history rather than move forward.

    Going into the past will just point out how Wonder Woman didn't do anything during WW2 or the Korean War or the Vietnam War. Where was she during these conflicts, and why didn't she act upon them?
    It's possible we will get answers in Flashback form, or maybe she was back on Themyscira. (at this point, we don't know for sure if she went home, and came back later, or what happened.)

    I have a lot of faith in Patty et al that these things will not be overlooked. They're pretty obvious points that will require some attention.
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    I think a lot depends on how JUSTICE LEAGUE goes over. By putting WW II in the 1980s, it doesn't need to address JL continuity and if they want to back off from the shared universe, it will have no consequences for Wonder Woman. Or they can strengthen the connection if JL really takes off.

    I don't like putting it in the 1980s. I would prefer a World War Two movie. But the 1980s is really hot right now. I think it's a mistake to ride that trend because the movie will come out two years later, by which time something else will be hot.

    I'm glad that Chris Pine is being honoured for his service--and this might be the only franchise he has going--but I don't want Steve to return for real. At least not before the events of BVS--since Diana is still mourning him in that movie. But there's a lot they can do with Pine, without bringing Steve Trevor back to life; however, no Steve Trevor, Jr., please.

    DC should try to avoid fake-killing characters as much as they can. It's bad enough Superman is coming back to life. Fake killing is something that Marvel does to the extreme--so making deaths count would be one way for the DC movies to distinguish themselves.

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    I wouldn't mind flashbacks linking to the Present, but I don't think I want another period piece for a movie.
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    I actually kind of like the idea. There's a unique opportunity here that we've never really seen before. A character who's been alive AND active for that long (even Captain America only had either the WWII-era, or post-Avengers to play around in). So why not explore other time periods through her eyes, it could be rather interesting? Like 99% of the other franchises out there, including pretty much all of the DCEU ones, are set in present-day. So if I want that, I have plenty of other options. Why make things more generic? Why skip over so much time over just one movie? It just seems like a tremendous waste of potential for me.

    Honestly "Wonder Woman in the Cold War" sounds far cooler (no pun intended) to me at this point.

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    I'm not hugely interested in a Cold War setting, but I'm happy to keep an open mind. I'm mostly concerned that any villain they choose will be "one and done" because if they were defeated in the 80s, then why should they still be around and causing trouble in "present day". Of course, for some villains, like Circe or Felix Faust, immortality or a long life wouldn't be an issue. I also hope that the "stakes" are decent. After fighting Ares during WW1, I don't want Diana to be reduced to retrieving some stolen codes or plans or some other espionage-esque plot. The entire world doesn't need to be at risk, but the stakes for Diana should be high, even if they're personal (i.e. saving her best friend Barbara who has turned into the Cheetah or saving Themyscira from being invaded by Circe).

    As for Steve Trevor, I really hope that "Steve" doesn't return to life. I wouldn't mind Diana encountering the soul of Steve (and Antiope) if she has to travel to the underworld as part of a mission (e.g. if Felix Faust was the villain and he's working with Hades to free Hades from Tartarus now that all of the other Greek gods are gone). I also wouldn't be opposed to an illusion of Steve being used by a villain (e.g. Dr Psycho, Circe or Faust) to torment Diana at some point during the film. But, I don't want to see the original Steve return to life - it would take too much away from the drama of DoJ and the first film, especially since the two of them now tie together quite nicely with Steve's sacrifice mirroring Superman's sacrifice (both being large unnecessary and contrived due to the plot, but still memorable and important to the characters).

    EDIT: Hmmmm, a little reading and maybe the Cold War does have some interesting story potential:

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...no-2008-10-29/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project

    Dr Psycho could serve well as a psychic villain, perhaps an American who defects to the Soviets?
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    There are several ways to potentially bring Steve back:

    -Flashbacks.
    -Dream sequence/hallucination.
    -Diana ends up in The Underworld/meets Hades and sees Steve's spirit (they could also maybe use that as an excuse to bring Antiope and Steve's team back for cameos as well).
    -Resurrected by some other mystical force for some reason.
    -Etc.

    And yes, Dr. Psycho could make for an interesting villain in this context. Or (if you want to tie more into the first film) perhaps the Duke of Deception event.
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    Hopefully, Patty Jenkins and her co-writers are paying attention to these suggestions about Steve. I think my personal favourite would be a journey into the underworld. This year, I finished reading Dante's DIVINE COMEDY, and I want to see Diana meeting up with Steve, Antiope and other legendary folk that have passed on. That's in keeping with the classical epics that inspire Wonder Woman.

    I can't think of a good reason to set the story in the 1980s--other than the obvious pop culture references and the potential sound track--but maybe there's some specific detail from the Perez run that they want to use and it can only work in a 1980s setting.

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    I'm still of the view of wanting Steve back. There are stories in myth of heroes/heroines going down into the underworld to retrieve the departed souls of past lovers, like Orpheus and Eurydice. What if Diana somehow found a way to Hades, and he, his spirit/or an agent of Hades, or even Persephone if they want to tell her, that Steve's soul isn't there, which means maybe he didn't die after all. I'd like to see them play with that.

    Gal and Chris have AMAZING chemistry both in their interviews and on screen, it just seems to great of a loss to kill off his character forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amazon Swordsman View Post
    Gal and Chris have AMAZING chemistry both in their interviews and on screen, it just seems to great of a loss to kill off his character forever.
    They absolutely had great chemistry, but don't you think it cheapens the overall story to bring him back so quickly after he died?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyssane View Post
    They absolutely had great chemistry, but don't you think it cheapens the overall story to bring him back so quickly after he died?
    If they do decide to bring him back, I don't want it to be cheaply done...maybe...if they go with that, perhaps it can be near the end of the 2nd film? I imagine her losing him was so traumatic that Diana was no longer interested in pursuing love. Come to think of it, it would make sense that she be very hesitant or uninterested in romance, seeing as how she'll most likely outlive her partners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyssane View Post
    They absolutely had great chemistry, but don't you think it cheapens the overall story to bring him back so quickly after he died?
    Quickly? He's been dead for nearly a full century if the film is set in modern times! All they have to do is convey that Diana has been missing him for the better part of a century and it won't seem cheap at all.

    It will also seem less cheap if it looks like something Diana earned. If Steve just pops back up because a god snaps his/her fingers and brings him back in a single scene, that may seem cheap. I like the idea of Diana going down to the Underworld and rescuing him, myself. That's so appropriately mythic and the audience would really dig seeing Diana literally walking through Hell to recover the love interest that they loved in the first movie.

    Heck, there may even be ways to show that Steve never technically died at all. I mean, we never saw his body. We never even saw him being consumed by the explosion. That scene was just ambiguous enough that you could dream up any number of plot shenanigans to say that Steve didn't even die in the explosion.

    I put forward one possibility a while back. What if Circe whisked Steve away before the explosion killed him? She has the power to do stuff like that, and she's kinda known for taking men for her own selfish goals. That would be a good possible beginning to Diana's rivalry with Circe. Obviously, they'd want to avoid the tired old "You stole my man!" tropes with it. Circe should have some better reason for taking Steve than just "I felt like stealing some other woman's boyfriend." But still? It could work.
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    To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

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    As far as the 80s possibility? Eh. It wouldn't be my first choice, but Patty has earned my complete confidence. So if she thinks she can tell a great Wonder Woman story set in the 80s? Hey! She told a great one set in World War I, so why not?
    Though much is taken, much abides; and though
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are,
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    Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
    To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

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    I want a 70s Steve with full on porn moustache, tab collared shirt, and an astro-medallion.

    Chris Pine discoing down to "Boogie Nights" and Diana with big 70s feathered hair (and the obligatory cameos of Lyle Waggoner and Lynda Carter)... you know you want it.

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