Three Misconceptions about Secret Empire

[Michael Watkins]

No one is saying that Hydra aren't the villains

[Rosebunse]

It's more that associating an idea with the worst possible thing is a way of not really arguing with the idea. It's like dismissing socialist ideas by talking about Stalin's Russia. So comparing someone who believes [whatever] to a murderous dictatorship may sometimes fit, but sometimes it's a way of avoiding an argument.

But shouldn't we be reminded that the evil and awfulness of the Nazis aren't some unique attributes but rather qualities that can be found repeatedly throughout history? Bringing in Hydra and comparing them to Nazis doesn't lessen the horrors of the Nazis. One can argue that it's exploiting said horrors for entertainment, but it's also reminding us that these things aren't unique and can keep happening.

Like with Stalin's Russia.

No one is saying that Hydra aren't the villains

I think we all know that...I think. I think the question we're having is is it right for them to invoke Nazism...I think...

In fact, this goes back to my original comment. Is one of the problems here that we're all arguing about different things and not even know it?

[Mike_Murdock]

Obviously, threads take on a life of their own and discuss what people find interesting, which is cool, but it's a bit of a shame that the forest has been missed for the trees.

[Star_Jammer]

Sometimes the comparison is proper and right.

And I think this is my problem. What's wrong with directly comparing something to the Nazis? Who are we offending in that case? The victims of the Nazis? Because it seems to me like at least some of it is extreme-right people not wanting to admit that they're falling into fascist beliefs.

I was thinking more along the lines of comparing Scarlet Witch, Black Bolt/Medusa, and Cyclops to Hitler.

Y'know...things that obviously don't make sense to.

...or...should obviously.

But hey, maybe I'm just alt-right, right?

[Ianbarreilles]

I was thinking more along the lines of comparing Scarlet Witch, Black Bolt/Medusa, and Cyclops to Hitler.

Y'know...things that obviously don't make sense to.

...or...should obviously.

But hey, maybe I'm just alt-right, right?

That's mostly the fans who compare those characters to hitler or proclaim that they're genocidal particularly the guys and gals over at the x-books board, the only exception I think was cyclops being compared to Hitler's that was mostly a idea that was pushed by marvel in a few titles.

I think in general comparing characters like cyclops, medusa, and black bolt, and scarlet witch to Hitler and saying how they're genoicdal sends a really bad message and sets a really bad precedent.

[ed2962]

The biggest misconception is that this story is somehow Marvel "getting even" with straight white men.

[theoneandonly]

lol couldn't resist reviving this meme

[mr_crisp]

Yes... at the very least I can see it... Anyone else getting that error msg?

I'm getting that message and it isn't just this site either I've seen that.

[ZNOP]

I'm getting that message and it isn't just this site either I've seen that.

Damn! Even my previous link for 4Shared?

[mr_crisp]

Maybe it's because I've been reading books about Roman history lately but I see Captain America becoming in charge with how Augustus became emperor. Both people were given vast powers which put them in charge.

[mr_crisp]

Damn! Even my previous link for 4Shared?

Yep.

Stupid 10 character rule

[Mike_Murdock]

I think Augustus did a better job of pretending he wasn't in charge. Granted, that was over a much longer period of time.

[ZNOP]

The biggest misconception is that this story is somehow Marvel "getting even" with straight white men.

I say, I say... Where the hell did that come from?

[itspopularnowitsucks]

You forgetting that the series also established Fury as the mastermind behind the organization? Strucker was in it for himself; not a party/political movement. It was the same with the Russians.

No at all, but Strucker and co have their own free will and agenda. Nick Fury is not the hidden big man of the Hydra, he is just playing spy game with them to stay on top. He allows them to establish a Hydra he can track and contain isn't the same thing that he found Hydra and associate with its ideology.

[J. D. Guy]

Obviously, threads take on a life of their own and discuss what people find interesting, which is cool, but it's a bit of a shame that the forest has been missed for the trees.

Glad to see that I'm not the only one who noticed that. Only post #28 actually addresses the whole of this thread's topic, and even then it still takes a bit of time to indulge the sidetrack.

It's kind of sad, when you think about it.