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    Default CBR - "That ol’ Parker Luck: Does Peter Parker Work When He Finds Success?"

    So this has been a very relevant topic around here for quite a while, but interest in it has picked up moreso with the recent announcement of "The Fall of Parker" storyline. So, I thought this article recently released by CBR was very well-timed.

    Personally, I agree with a lot of it, but I was wondering what everyone else thought. There are a lot of good talking points in here, so I'm sure it will raise some lively discussion!

    Link: http://www.cbr.com/spiderman-peter-parker-luck/

    Author: Gary Smith

    Marvel Comics’ October solicitations appear to signal yet another change of direction for Peter Parker as part of the publisher’s Legacy initiative. After a run of stories that launched Peter Parker onto the global stage as the CEO of Parker Industries, the solicitation for the renumbered The Amazing Spider-Man #789 suggests a return to the Daily Bugle and a re-emphasis on a Peter Parker that’s down on his luck. It’s possible, of course, that this is a patented solicitation fake-out and that Peter might return to the Daily Bugle in a new capacity – perhaps as its new owner. But if we take the solicitation at face value it raises an interesting question – does Peter Parker work best when he’s down on his luck?

    Bad luck and Peter Parker certainly go together. No one ever said that being a hero was easy, and for Peter Parker that’s truer than most. The description of Spider-Man as a “hard-luck hero” was a central tenant of Tom Brevoort’s 2006 manifesto for the Spidey titles, though it’s been evident throughout the character’s history, going all the way back to his famous first appearance in Amazing Fantasy #15. In his origin story, Peter’s joy at receiving powers and finally being in a position to take control of his own life was quickly cut short by the tragic murder of his Uncle Ben. This set the tone for Peter’s subsequent adventures: Whenever life gave him lemonade, it inevitably turned into lemons.

    What helped this approach succeed was the relationship between Peter’s life in and out of costume. In the Stan Lee/Steve Ditko/John Romita Sr era, the contrast between these two aspects of Peter’s life drove forward the narrative, with events in one area inevitably complicating the other. This isn’t to say that Peter had no successes at all, only that nothing came easy to him. Over time the infamous “Parker Luck” became a running joke, including broken or empty web shooters, camera problems, missed appointments, work drama and a whole heap of girl trouble. To paraphrase the old saying, if it wasn’t for bad luck, Peter Parker would have no luck at all.

    This approach is a large part of what made Peter Parker such a relatable character. He wasn’t some square-jawed paragon of virtue; he was simply someone that tried his best and gave his all, simply because it was the right thing to do. The delicious irony of his double life – that he could only make money by selling photos that demonized his costumed identity – was a perfect example of the challenges he faced daily. Peter Parker may have had super powers, but his personal life and day-to-day troubles made him a hero that many could relate to, with the “Parker Luck” being a major part of that.

    However, one thing that has become increasingly noticeable about “Parker Luck” over the years is the way it can be used to complicate Peter’s life to ridiculous extremes, or worse, as a method of justifying why he is never allowed to achieve any real, lasting success in his life.

    How That Radioactive Spider Actually Cursed Peter Parker

    If a certain radioactive spider hadn’t intervened in his life, it’s a safe bet that Peter Parker, Midtown High School’s finest export, would have gone on to bigger and better things, perhaps becoming one of the biggest brains in the Marvel Universe. Instead, after graduating from High School in Amazing Spider-Man #28, Peter didn’t graduate from College until Amazing Spider-Man #185. The following decades saw Peter flip-flopping between photography and further education, rarely having the opportunity to convert his intelligence into a wage.

    When Peter was given the chance to advance in this direction, creators often stepped back from the idea, or line-wide changes altered plans. In the Howard Mackie/John Byrne Spider-Man relaunch in 1998, Peter Parker was hired by the Tri-corp research foundation in Amazing Spider-Man #1 (vol.2). Unfortunately, unlike Dan Slott’s use of Horizon Labs in recent years, the job had a limited impact on Peter’s life, with his frequent absences as Spider-Man leading to him being fired in Amazing Spider-Man #16.

    Peter’s tenure as a science teacher, introduced by J. Michael Straczynski, had greater staying power, but the reveal of Peter’s secret ID in the Civil War event ended to that plot line, despite some good work exploring its potential by Peter David on Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. It wasn’t until Dan Slott brought Peter into Horizon Labs that readers finally began to see what Peter could do when his personal and superhero lives were better aligned; experience in one field frequently leading to innovations in the other. After years of trading on past glories, Peter finally had an opportunity to prove his science smarts to his (non-superpowered) peers.

    The formation of Parker Industries by Doctor Octopus during his time controlling Peter’s body took things to the next level. When he returned to his body, Peter was amazed to find himself the CEO of his own company. As the company expanded, with branches in the USA, China and London, Peter Parker became famous worldwide, linked to a range of innovations that transformed the lives of the Marvel Universe’s citizens, from security to technological innovations and medical advances.

    In many ways, this was the perfect extension of Peter’s journey. It allowed him to use his scientific smarts for the greater good, taking his “power and responsibility” mantra to the next level. As a CEO of a multi-billion dollar conglomerate, he was responsible for thousands of people. Not only the workers who depended on his company for their livelihood, but also the countless civilians who benefited from Parker Industries’ innovation.

    It’s been fascinating to see how this storyline has been received by Spider-Man fans. While many have applauded it for taking Peter into new territories, others have decried it for exactly these reasons. A Peter Parker that is CEO of his own company has been characterized by some fans as a “poor man’s Tony Stark,” as if this somehow makes him less authentic than the traditional hard-luck Peter. In truth, the “Parker Luck” has still been in evidence, with Peter having to deal with setbacks, saboteurs and enemies within and without. What’s also remained constant is the core of Peter Parker – someone that believes in using power responsibly to help others.

    At this point in his history, Peter Parker has been a costumed hero for approximately 13 years. With many of his contemporaries now being succeeded by younger legacy heroes, he’s now one of the veterans of the Marvel Universe. He’s moved from a solo act to a team player, from the new kid to the voice of wisdom. With all that he’s been through it makes no sense to keep using the “Parker Luck” to reset Peter’s life or minimize his opportunities. It should always complicate his life, of course – that’s half the fun of reading about Spider-Man – but it should do so in a way that takes account of his changing circumstances.

    Dan Slott has stated that Peter’s move back to the Daily Bugle will mark the return of the “scrappy underdog status that’s the Peter Parker we all know and love,” but in a new capacity not seen in Amazing Spider-Man yet. Photocopier repair man? IT guru? Window cleaner? Publisher? In October, we should find out the exact circumstances of Peter’s new role, and the level of success that he is allowed to enjoy.
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    Well, as the song goes..."wealth and fame, he's ignored. Action is his reward" .

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    Regardless of success, I do think most status quo shifts can work as long as they are interesting and competently written. Unfortunately, I don't think this has been the case for the current Parker Industries/CEO angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masked Guy View Post
    Regardless of success, I do think most status quo shifts can work as long as they are interesting and competently written. Unfortunately, I don't think this has been the case for the current Parker Industries/CEO angle.
    Yeah I have to agree. The biggest problem with Parker luck is that it tends to go to extremes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MASTER-OF-SUPRISE View Post
    Yeah I have to agree. The biggest problem with Parker luck is that it tends to go to extremes.
    If used too often and handled poorly, the "Parker luck" can start to feel like an excuse for Peter messing up too often and being incompetent.

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    When it got a name (Parker luck) I think things started to go off track more sometimes. Its not really a characteristic for him to have bad luck. The whole thing is based on perception rather than luck. Because he has a secret double life, it can lead to misunderstandings. Thats not bad luck, its the result of his choice to use his powers responsibly.
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    My favorite comics have always been ones where he's successful as a husband or father

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miles To Go View Post
    My favorite comics have always been ones where he's successful as a husband or father
    mine too
    not necessarily successful as a husband
    but even though things don't turn out right for him, the bright side that he has a wife (Mary Jane) that loves him

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    I think it works for the series to have a mix of success and failure. Permanent success doesn't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MASTER-OF-SUPRISE View Post
    Yeah I have to agree. The biggest problem with Parker luck is that it tends to go to extremes.
    This is exactly correct. Peter seems to be either dead-broke or ridiculously wealthy, neither of which relates to the average person.

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    So Peter uses the last of his money to buy the Bugle and re-instates JJJ as Editor in Chief, becoming Jonah's boss.

    -Pav, who thinks that status quo could work well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    I think it works for the series to have a mix of success and failure. Permanent success doesn't work.
    I agree; in a way, being able to navigate hard times and multiple responsibilities to still make a rent payment and continue some kind of future investment is a sign of maturation, so just totally and always failing doesn't quite work. Peter should have to struggle, and occasionally suffer misfortune, but it should be organic and logical variations of that. Part of the reason why I like the first Spider-Man movie by Raimi as my favorite is because his misfortune and struggles makes sense, while I tend to think some of the issues in the second are just going too far in "beating him down."

    And it's why I like Spectacular Spider-Man as a show; Peter deals with the consequences of his responsibilities clashing with his life all the time, but his character, maturation, and growing confidence *do* help him out.

    It shouldn't be that the universe hates Peter so much he can't have any success in anything; it should be that the demands and responsibilities of being Spider-Man and living the life he does means it's a struggle to achieve any worldly success, and pretty hard to hold it down.
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    the character is more about "responsibility" than bad luck. It just seems like bad luck because his social life or career tends to suffer when he concentrates on saving lives as Spider-Man. He can have a successful career and still have problems in his life, it's just depends on if the writer is treating it realistically or flanderizing the character to a ridiculous "butt monkey" characterization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pav View Post
    So Peter uses the last of his money to buy the Bugle and re-instates JJJ as Editor in Chief, becoming Jonah's boss.

    -Pav, who thinks that status quo could work well...

    It would work perfectly, considering the purchase of a newspaper is about the dumbest effing thing someone could buy. He might as well invest in asbestos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegeta View Post
    the character is more about "responsibility" than bad luck. It just seems like bad luck because his social life or career tends to suffer when he concentrates on saving lives as Spider-Man. He can have a successful career and still have problems in his life, it's just depends on if the writer is treating it realistically or flanderizing the character to a ridiculous "butt monkey" characterization.
    This is kind of what I'm worried about with Marvel's back to basics approach. Sometimes the comic companies have a knack to oversimplify things.

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