Hypothetical Peter/Gwen marriage

[Celgress]

....But I gotta say I'd not be interested in Peter with Spider-Gwen tho. LOL At least not the 616 and 95 versions. An AU where they both got powers and are a crime fightning couple? Could be interesting especially if written well, I'd get that book.

Which is what I was alluding to, so same here.

[Dangerous]

I think most of the same objections to the marriage would have existed with Gwen. Mary Jane had some advantages Gwen didn't (personality, a profession in a field that is visually interesting) although we really don't know how Gwen would've been depicted in the bronze age and later. Maybe in this alternate world, she'd have been compelling as the Emma Stone Gwen Stacy.

She was the best thing about the TASM films imo.

[Starrius]

She was the best thing about the TASM films imo.

Yeah...I liked the movie Gwen much better than movie Mary Jane even though I prefer Mary Jane as a love interest far more than Gwen.
Emma is much better actress, and her Gwen was very different from the comics. Kirsten's Mary Jane was very different from the comics too.

I wonder how they would be if the roles were reversed.
Emma being Mary Jane and Kirsten being Gwen

[RD!]

It would never have happened, just as Peter would never marry Harry. Peter and Gwen's relationship was doomed from her first appearance, had she not died they would've broken up.

[WebLurker]

Hard to say.

First of all, I agree with everyone that if Spider-Marriage had been with Gwen instead of MJ, some variation of OMD probably would've been enacted to end it; the "problem" has always been that Spider-Man was married period, not that he was married to MJ specifically.

However, say Gerry Conway had spared Gwen. Would Marvel have allowed a marriage to go through in the first place? Reportedly one of the factors in Gwen's death was because the feeling was that marriage was the only logical next step for the character and they didn't want that. Even if not, the actual wedding story almost ended with MJ breaking it off at the last minute. (In some ways, it's pretty unusual that it went through in the first place, lasted two decades, and still remains a fan-favorite element of the franchise a decade after OMD and still inspiring new stories.)

On top of that, how would the Gwen character have developed in such a scenario? Would the character have gained or lost popularity as time went on and new materials added to the character? Would she have been accepted as Mrs. Spider-Man by the fanbase had that happened? Would (many) fans have become attached to her in that role the way they did with MJ?

[Starrius]

Hard to say.

First of all, I agree with everyone that if Spider-Marriage had been with Gwen instead of MJ, some variation of OMD probably would've been enacted to end it; the "problem" has always been that Spider-Man was married period, not that he was married to MJ specifically.

However, say Gerry Conway had spared Gwen. Would Marvel have allowed a marriage to go through in the first place? Reportedly one of the factors in Gwen's death was because the feeling was that marriage was the only logical next step for the character and they didn't want that. Even if not, the actual wedding story almost ended with MJ breaking it off at the last minute. (In some ways, it's pretty unusual that it went through in the first place, lasted two decades, and still remains a fan-favorite element of the franchise a decade after OMD and still inspiring new stories.)

On top of that, how would the Gwen character have developed in such a scenario? Would the character have gained or lost popularity as time went on and new materials added to the character? Would she have been accepted as Mrs. Spider-Man by the fanbase had that happened? Would (many) fans have become attached to her in that role the way they did with MJ?

according to this video , Gwen got killed off mainly because of lack of popularity,....especially compared to Mary Jane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xtzfzDkWzs&t=6s

[AngelJD]

I agree with those. It is very possile their relationship and Gwen herself could've evolved considerably, it's an interesting scenario to think about.
But I gotta say I'd not be interested in Peter with Spider-Gwen tho. LOL At least not the 616 and 95 versions. An AU where they both got powers and are a crime fighting couple? Could be interesting especially if written well, I'd get that book.



Yeah, pretty much. And there's an AU where Peter manages to save her from the Goblin and reveals his identity to her, she immediately forgave Peter and even agreed to marry him right there.

Edit: As for the question itself I'll just second what's been said, out of universe I think it'd simply have the same problems Peter/MJ had.

Curious to what people might create/use imagination for that AU goal to happen. There is a couple of ways to present this But I'm going to select for simplicity just a few criteria for myself.

One:
Criteria: Gwen version is EXACTLY like the first 616 Gwen version (however something different and experience must happen so the same fate doesn't happen but a new results and beyond). She gains powers before the Bridge event.
616 Peter Parker actually says "if only Gwen had super strength." in the issue after she died (in the issue Norman was first killed) and maybe we we this. So how is this done.



Part1:
1: She travels from London to New York looking at potential universities in the area (just like real high school students do in real life traveling to take tours of potential colleges to attend). Finding ESU becoming her top pick after a tour she tells this news to her father (who after talking to Gwen then to looked for a possible transfer to NYPD so he could say close to Gwen his beloved daughter). Gwen decides to have some fun in NYC going to museums and events happening and discovers about an intriguing science presentation involving radioactivity and she would have enough time to attend before flying back to London.

When she get's there (due to 1960's culture) she gets pushed to the back (guys get to be upfront plus being a high school kid she gets further bumped down by scientists and college students). Gwen isn't happy about that. In the back also is a guy named Peter Parker.
1a: They see each other for a second. Peter being a gentleman and finding a good spot to see the show offers Gwen his location he planted himself at and Gwen figures instead of taking it away from him they could squeeze close so both would still have a good view despite still in the back (being close together and additional rude shoving making them VERY close together unintendedly makes each other blush for a sec). Neither of the two know's each other's name. Gwen asks the nice/cute boy what his name is. Before he can answer Peter gets bitten. Peter runs off feeling sick before Gwen could react.

Things go about how they went in 616 Spider-man. Gwen goes to ESU and studies biochemistry and genetics. Gwen and Peter don't recognise each other (Peter wore glasses plus became taller from the bite I think). Like 616 Spider-man Gwen befriends and forms bonds with Peter, MJ, and Harry. One possible difference is that Captain Stacy not only knows that Peter is Spider-man but sometimes asks questions about what he can do and experiences (like he wants a inside scoop for somebody close to him). Captain Stacy dies and Gwen goes away for a short time upset not just at Spider-man but somebody else as well.

Gwen returns to Peter stating she has forgiven Spider-man knowing he wasn't at fault but still the pain of her father dead seems to hang over her.
Like that infamous issue within 616 Gwen and MJ worry about Harry's condition after suffering aftermath effects from his former drug useage. Gwen goes to Peter's room to wait for his return from the Bugle.
Peter rushes back having a bad cold (in that major issue Peter has a very bad cold however after the issue that is never brought up agian) to his place and finds the pucken bomb, Gwen's pocket book, (and something else on the ground different from 616 scene).

Things start to go on like the 616 version. Gwen gets hit off the bridge (but her eyes seem to wake up unlike 616 Gwen which was revealed in Clone Conspiracy that Gwen was becoming aware but still paralyzed discovering Peter's secret from the Goblin's taurts). Peter not thinking straight shots out his web...
then a very unexpected thing happens. Gwen during her fall becomes fully mobile and just before the web hits her Gwen's senses goes off and while in the air falling swings her body and legs avoiding the killing web and twists herself upright. Then stunning peter and even the Goblin for seconds Gwen SHOOTS OUT her own webs slowing her own fall then using the momentum slingshotting herself back up rising and landing perfectly on the platform.

Peter and the Goblin don't know what is going on. Goblin crazy but understanding that this new info might prove the situation to be more dangerous for him then planned makes his escape. Peter tries to stop him but when jumping on the Goblin while still very sick he finds his reaction speed not at his best and gets hit by a pipe on the bridge and he begins to fall.

Peter wakes up seeing Gwen worried for him. Peter thinks it was a dream caused by the cold making him see delusions. Gwen surprises him first when she holds his mask that she took off him when she put him in bed. Gwen tells Peter it wasn't a dream and hops onto and sticks on the roof. She mentions that she now recalls they both have alot to talk about.

[AngelJD]

Part 2:

Back in the past the knee jerk reaction Peter made from the Spider bite made the Spider go directly on Gwen biting her as well when she turn to Peter seeing his reaction.
Peter's chemical and genetic reaction happens very quickly but Gwen's is delayed until she get's on the airplane later in the evening. Everybody thinking she has airsickness and Gwen passes out. Her father traveling with her takes her off the plane they were on and to her room where she slept for a long time.
When Gwen awakes she feels better then ever and much stronger. Then other weird things happen to her. Strength she doesn't know how to control ruining her bathroom, adhesive hands that when trying to pull the towel off her hands she rips it apart like tissue paper, senses overload, then she screamed when she shoot out a web. Captain Stacy runs up and sees everything. He calms his daughter down telling her it will be ok. Gwen thanks to her dad becomes calm enough to try and solve this unexpected riddles. The first guess was that she was a mutant and her powers activated. Gwen however inspecting her now strong body finds however a bite mark. Gwen doesn't know if that might hold a clue to her new abilities.
Gwen doesn't want to be seen as a freak and begins focusing on genetics and biochemistry studying her own DNA discovering a anomalies in her DNA. She avoids her peers and her father home schools her. Using an drug turned into a patch she makes just before graduation she applies it to herself. It seems to work temporary blocking the spider DNA inside her.

When she goes to ESU she tries to restart her social life and make up for lost time. Knowing that the patch is only a temporary solution Captain Stacy discovers Spider-man and being a detective and talking to him pieces together that this man and gwen has many of the same powers but the origins came from the same spider bite. Captain Stacy interviews and asks Peter many questions about his powers and how they work. Captain Stacy doesn't want Gwen to fear her abilities but happy she decided not to go into superheroes and danger like Spider-man. Getting a reliable source Captain Stacy writes institutions/tips that might be able to help Gwen when the time comes about her powers and ways to handle them.

Gwen (still not knowing that Peter was the boy from before nor is Spider-man) seeing Spider-man in the Bugle asks Peter when she visits him in his room why Spider-man goes out patrolling New York. Peter of course states that Spider-man has amazing powers but learned with great power must also come great responsibility. As Peter says this he looks at a picture of his departed Uncle Ben. Gwen asks what happened to him and Peter mentions about a criminal that could've been stopped before trying to rob Ben. That inaction cost him a love one.

Gwen leaves but thinks about Peter's words. Gwen goes home and her father arrives much later then he said he would be. He mentions about how some robbers was trying to rob a bank while Spider-man and other heroes were busy on the other side of New York and things went out of control. A bullet gave him a flesh wound but nothing to worry about. Gwen worried for his safety thinks about what Peter says and wonders if she was out there using her powers like Spider-man people like her dad might be better protected from harm. Gwen isn't inexperienced about worrying about her father due to his job. He was getting close to retirement but still he went on the front lines of danger doing his duty. Before Gwen thought of how she wished she could do something to help and protect him as a kid frightened he might not return home one day. Now having abilities she was blocking them vs learning about them and how to properly control and use them to better the world. Captain Stacy becomes VERY worried about what Gwen is saying not wanting her to head into danger and then unknown why to Gwen forbids her from seeing Peter. Gwen storms off while Captain Stacy cools off and writes some more in a book.

One day Gwen' fears come true. Her father doesn't return home.
In grief Gwen first latches out on Peter and blames Spider-man. But second later releases Spider-man isn't to blame and she hates really somebody else, herself.
In her father's will Gwen is given many things including an unknown letter made for just her. Inside was instuctions to a hiding spot he used involving an important book for Gwen. Opening the book it was the notes and tips Gwen could use gather by her dad from his questions and talks with Spider-man.

Gwen left New York telling everybody she was going to London. She really went to the wilderness far from many people.
Gwen wasn't a nature person but a city gal but this trip proved necessary. She didn't just need time alone to grieve. She need to practice and learn. Taking off her patch she found her spider sense going on overload more powerful than Spider-man's. She could feel the threats/dangers that people in a 20 block radius could happen to them (including stub toes). It was to much noise and sensory overload for Gwen to handle at once. In the wilderness away from people the spider senses died down and she was able to focus it on just her vicinity. Then opening the book she began with step one of the Spider powers: Wall crawling.
Following her father's book made for her she went into each tips and techniques. Then came something that Spider-man did but needed web shooter for. Gwen herself had organic webs and didn't need shooter to make them.
Using the towering trees and branches she first skipped, jumped, and wall hanged on the trees. Then came her practice with web swinging. It took awhile learn how to shoot it off and how powerful and far she could do so. Then taken her first swing. As she flew in the air the wind lifting her hair she found it very enjoyable. Not so enjoyable was her spider sense going off informing her of the hard impact against the next tree not learning how to shoot a second web line to change directions while swinging. Soon she got the hang of it and using her spidey senses she flew swinging up and in the air avoiding branches that came her way twisting her flexible body while losing no momentum between web swings.

When she felt ready she went home to New York where Peter and her friends waited for her. While Gwen did learn how to function without her patches in the wilderness back in New York the sensations overwhelmed her agian. Gwen made a 'training wheels' patch that block particularly the spider senses having herself slowly train her mind and body to adapt to the city that never sleeps. Gwen communicated with herself if she should tell Peter her secret but decided to keep quiet.

One of the last messages her father wrote for her was to learn how to defend herself with knowledge of fighting skills which was something even Spider-man didn't seek. He wanted her to find a great master to learn the basics of Kung Fu. In New York there was a few good potential trainers/masters but finding the right one was a real nettle in a haystack. The first advertisement she tried for a 'Master C'haaj' wanted to teach her 'Quak Fu' but that sounded absurd. She inspected many 'masters' till she found one that felt right. He simply called himself "Master of Kung Fu" (Shang-Chi) and was willing to train Gwen in not just the basics but some advanced stuff fitting for her if she was worthy (plus able to pay as he needed money for food and necessities to care for his temple/body). Gwen found her time managment pretty tight wanting to still have time for MJ and Peter but was able to squeeze lessons in.

When the Goblin attacked Gwen she senses him but having applied a new patched before the Goblin came foward she couldn't do much but toss a lamp at him. He dodged it easily and before he related Gwen ripped off the patch just before drugged with a gas from one of the bombs.

Her spider healing working the drugs from the goblin which normally would of kept her immobile and unconsciousness was fading fasted than usual. She awoke to hear the Goblin and Spider-man shouting. Gwen discovering that Peter and Spider-man was one and the same. It then occurred to her that Peter was that very boy from her past and all the pieces of not just Peter's unusual behavior and disappearances made sense but her own life and powers now knowing the link they shared and powers that had to happen around that time.

Gwen's system rebooted when a spider sense stronger then ever before came to her and told her to twist or die. Acting on instinct Gwen avoided Peter's web and made her own rising up.
It was Gwen who caught Peter as he fell (jumping and web swinging vs Peter's rash action of just shooting a web line) and with the Goblin gone Gwen got them both out of there before the cops showed up. Gwen placed Peter in bed and watched over him all while connecting many things together in her mind and going over what she was going to say to him and possibly his responses and questions to her. They both had secrets that was coming out that fateful night.

[AngelJD]

Part 3:

After Peter and Gwen had a long and overdue talk both knew that with Norman knowing both of them had Spider powers he was certain to strike agian and who knows who else Norman might put in harms way to hurt them. Remembering that Harry was ill but also the possibility Norman might be there both went to make sure Harry was safe. Gwen didn't have a costume (yet) so in making a battle plan she went inside and watched over Harry by his bedside while Peter would stand guard right outside should Norman appear.

They were right as in Norman's madness he figured Gwen and Peter would try to hurt Harry to hurt him! Peter and Norman began a massive battle right outside and Gwen wanted to help. Harry seemed like he was sleeping but as soon as Gwen got up to go and fight alongside Peter Harry woke up and called out not wanting to be alone with his mind scattered. Gwen knew she would unintentionally hurt Harry if she left but Peter might die if she didn't take action. Gwen left despite Harry's pleas.

Gwen caught up to the two. Norman had more tricks up his sleeve then before but now was facing the might of two spiders. Norman looked like he was regaining his sanity and gave up but the meonet Gwen and peter put their guard down Norman attack from behind with his glider. Gwen and Peter sensed it and leaped with the blades so close to Gwen that it cut her hair short and she could hear the sound of the blade but still just missed her. It rammed into Norman and he died (not really).

Afterwards things with Harry seemed off. Something Gwen blamed herself for leaving him when he needed her but also knew if she didn't act maybe Peter would be dead. Furthermore Harry's father while a madman was still his dad and now dead as both Peter and Gwen felt sad that they couldn't change things and get Norman help he needed. But with Norman knowing their share secret who knows what Norman would have done. Still Gwen felt that she, Peter, and MJ might be able to help Harry in time.

Gwen experiences with death from her father, to Norman's and even her own near death experience had affected Gwen in many ways. First off her own near death made Gwen think about what she had accomplished in her life and if her dad and mom would be proud. Gwen felt she could do so much more and now by Peter's side she decided it was time for her to fully embrace her powers and the responsibilities that came with them. Peter was a talented fashion maker and despite his own protests of Gwen getting herself involved respected her choice and assisted in making for her her own Spider-Woman outfit. She designed and he helped put it together.

Gwen's near death also affected her in understand how life was so short... so why not cut loose and have some fun and rebel a bit from norms of the time period. (Opposite reactions as MJ went from party girl to learning that the party ends when Gwen died for Gwen the other side of the coin happens and Gwen learns that with life that can be fleeting so make the most of it and cut loose)
Shifting from her formal fashions to both hippie and punk fashions to see how they were like Gwen began experimenting in areas she might not of tried before. She also wanted to join MJ alot more and have some fun partying together. But much like Peter Gwen would set a date for MJ and Gwen to have a party... then disappear when some bank robbery was nearby. MJ understood Peter doing it.. but was confused by Gwen's suddernly disappearances and unexpected shifted.

Gwen changes much like in spirit of how after decades in the comics like MJ and many other characters in comics Gwen undergoes character developments (and like Peter and MJ possible derailments) and shifts during culture changes and time periods constantly changing.

(also as a side note despite being beloved or not the exceptions of OMD and other stuff might still happen. Also possible that if Cindy also is still bitten in this AU by the same Spider that bit Peter and Gwen then much like how the Spider-pheromones affected Peter and Cindy (short term fortunately as Cindy and Peter learned how to push that away no longer affecting them) one day Peter gets back to his room where Cindy was left and sees Gwen and Cindy making out affected as well to each other and Peter wonders where his camera is).

[AngelJD]

Hard to say.

First of all, I agree with everyone that if Spider-Marriage had been with Gwen instead of MJ, some variation of OMD probably would've been enacted to end it; the "problem" has always been that Spider-Man was married period, not that he was married to MJ specifically.

However, say Gerry Conway had spared Gwen. Would Marvel have allowed a marriage to go through in the first place? Reportedly one of the factors in Gwen's death was because the feeling was that marriage was the only logical next step for the character and they didn't want that. Even if not, the actual wedding story almost ended with MJ breaking it off at the last minute. (In some ways, it's pretty unusual that it went through in the first place, lasted two decades, and still remains a fan-favorite element of the franchise a decade after OMD and still inspiring new stories.)

On top of that, how would the Gwen character have developed in such a scenario? Would the character have gained or lost popularity as time went on and new materials added to the character? Would she have been accepted as Mrs. Spider-Man by the fanbase had that happened? Would (many) fans have become attached to her in that role the way they did with MJ?

Since these characters are ALL Fictional (Peter, MJ, Gwen of not just 616 but all universes) this all 'woulds' is depended on the writers and artists alone. If they write marvelously and give her character developments and wonderful stories then yes she would be beloved. If not she would be disliked but so would the rest of the cast if done poorly for all of them. Also what is good or bad in quality is also personal options. The possible outcome of many factors is one big ???.

[WebLurker]

Since these characters are ALL Fictional (Peter, MJ, Gwen of not just 616 but all universes) this all 'woulds' is depended on the writers and artists alone. If they write marvelously and give her character developments and wonderful stories then yes she would be beloved. If not she would be disliked but so would the rest of the cast if done poorly for all of them. Also what is good or bad in quality is also personal options. The possible outcome of many factors is one big ???.

Yeah, I think there are too many variables to say for sure.

[nose norton]

Let's just pretend for a minute that Gwen had survived and it was her, not Mary-Jane, that Peter had married in 1987. Without the controversey over being married to a supermodel, how do you think this would have affected events like One More Day and the attempt by the 90s Clone Saga to return Peter to single status?

Without her dying, there would've been no Clone Saga. One More Day would've happened anyway.

[nose norton]

And that was more or less because Peter felt guilty about her death.

No kidding.

[nose norton]

Mary Jane had some advantages Gwen didn't (personality

Before Conway, Gwen had more of a personality.

[nose norton]

Standard 616 Peter and Gwen might have been interesting, at least as much as Peter/MJ were. I do, however, think Peter as Spider-Man married to Gwen as "Spider-Gwen" (or whatever her alias) would be a far more interesting possible pairing. There is a great deal of unexplored story potential there. Although I would rather they not saddled with a kid (like MJ and Peter in RYV) right out of the gate but rather given time to be a crime-fighting couple together first.

Why this obsession with giving every character superpowers? Isn't there a place for a supporting cast anymore? Does everyone have to be a sidekick, or every superhero comic a superteam one?