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    To further that punishment he had Tigra date Henry Pym; who he said should be shot like a mad dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Watkins View Post
    To further that punishment he had Tigra date Henry Pym; who he said should be shot like a mad dog.
    Bendis' stance on Hank Pym is so weird .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haquim View Post
    Possibly because those "rapists" were super-sexy women and he actually just needed an excuse to cheat on Jean/Madelyne?
    I would not put it past Mr.Sinister or Jack of Diamonds to make a play for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Bendis' stance on Hank Pym is so weird .
    That's because Marvel's stance on Hank Pym is so weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimz View Post
    Go polish your test tubes. Damn, Sue is crass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonmp93 View Post
    Cyclops has gotten raped-by-fraud at least twice and no one has cared.
    Quote Originally Posted by Haquim View Post
    Possibly because those "rapists" were super-sexy women and he actually just needed an excuse to cheat on Jean/Madelyne?
    Rape is a serious problem that does happen to men, too, whether at the hands of women or even by other men. Writing off what was done to Cyclops as an excuse for him to cheat does a disservice to men who were raped. Hell, comics in general have a serious issue with depicting rape as either something for shock/drama value, to heighten the despicability of the villain performing the act and thus motivate the (usually male) hero to royally kick his @$$ if not outright kill the son of a b****, or as completely inconsequential because some sci-fi/fantasy mechanic like mind control, illusions, shapeshifting, or body theft was involved in facilitating the act or because it happened to a male character at the hands of a female character.

    Look at Green Arrow over in DC: actually raped while delirious from fever by Shado, but treated as though he consciously chose to betray Black Canary and actively slept with another woman and turned into a womanizer afterwards to justify or double down on this mischaracterization of what happened to him. Batman, depending on whether you abide by the original story or Grant Morrison's version, was drugged and then raped by Talia al Ghul so that she could have his child and raise said child to be the ultimate heir of the League of Assassins. Nightwing was raped by a creepy stalker vigilante named Tarantula, and the writer of that comic insisted on calling it nonconsensual sex rather than admitting it was rape.

    Going back to Marvel, we do have Cyclops as mentioned by dragonmp93, Captain Britain (who was once held prisoner with the intent of making him a sex slave, even if it wasn't said out loud), Wonder Man (who was ambiguously assaulted by a maddened Scarlet Witch way back in the day, though the jury is apparently still out on whether or not it was supposed to be heavily implied rape), and probably others I haven't thought of or recalled yet. (Maybe someone else can.) All in all, comics have had to work to shed some incredibly backwards ideas and attitudes as they've progressed through the decades, though one of the most persistent of those backwards ideas and attitudes is how rape is perceived and treated, though in light of how those ideas and attitudes still persist in real life, perhaps I shouldn't be so surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    Rape is a serious problem that does happen to men, too, whether at the hands of women or even by other men. Writing off what was done to Cyclops as an excuse for him to cheat does a disservice to men who were raped. Hell, comics in general have a serious issue with depicting rape as either something for shock/drama value, to heighten the despicability of the villain performing the act and thus motivate the (usually male) hero to royally kick his @$$ if not outright kill the son of a b****, or as completely inconsequential because some sci-fi/fantasy mechanic like mind control, illusions, shapeshifting, or body theft was involved in facilitating the act or because it happened to a male character at the hands of a female character.

    Look at Green Arrow over in DC: actually raped while delirious from fever by Shado, but treated as though he consciously chose to betray Black Canary and actively slept with another woman and turned into a womanizer afterwards to justify or double down on this mischaracterization of what happened to him. Batman, depending on whether you abide by the original story or Grant Morrison's version, was drugged and then raped by Talia al Ghul so that she could have his child and raise said child to be the ultimate heir of the League of Assassins. Nightwing was raped by a creepy stalker vigilante named Tarantula, and the writer of that comic insisted on calling it nonconsensual sex rather than admitting it was rape.

    Going back to Marvel, we do have Cyclops as mentioned by dragonmp93, Captain Britain (who was once held prisoner with the intent of making him a sex slave, even if it wasn't said out loud), Wonder Man (who was ambiguously assaulted by a maddened Scarlet Witch way back in the day, though the jury is apparently still out on whether or not it was supposed to be heavily implied rape), and probably others I haven't thought of or recalled yet. (Maybe someone else can.) All in all, comics have had to work to shed some incredibly backwards ideas and attitudes as they've progressed through the decades, though one of the most persistent of those backwards ideas and attitudes is how rape is perceived and treated, though in light of how those ideas and attitudes still persist in real life, perhaps I shouldn't be so surprised.
    There is also Hulk, courtesy of Umar, Dormanmu's sister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonmp93 View Post
    There is also Hulk, courtesy of Umar, Dormanmu's sister.
    Thanks for the reminder. And that one was actually played for comedy, to my chagrin. Umar may be a stone-cold fox for an eldritch demon thing in humanlike visage, but that's still not funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    There was also the Hood and his goons viciously beating Tigra up.

    That didn't get resolved until Gage's Avengers: The Initiative Run during Dark Reign.
    I don't know if the Tigra beating was sexist, but the way it was staged was definitely creepy. The Hood and the guys jump Greer and knock her around. Then there's a slow pan close up on Hammerhead who's filming all this. As we get closer, we see HH giggling ( story-wise he's laughing cuz Tigra beat him up earlier but still...)


    What was the resolution in The Initiative ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    Rape is a serious problem that does happen to men, too, whether at the hands of women or even by other men. Writing off what was done to Cyclops as an excuse for him to cheat does a disservice to men who were raped. Hell, comics in general have a serious issue with depicting rape as either something for shock/drama value, to heighten the despicability of the villain performing the act and thus motivate the (usually male) hero to royally kick his @$$ if not outright kill the son of a b****, or as completely inconsequential because some sci-fi/fantasy mechanic like mind control, illusions, shapeshifting, or body theft was involved in facilitating the act or because it happened to a male character at the hands of a female character.

    Look at Green Arrow over in DC: actually raped while delirious from fever by Shado, but treated as though he consciously chose to betray Black Canary and actively slept with another woman and turned into a womanizer afterwards to justify or double down on this mischaracterization of what happened to him. Batman, depending on whether you abide by the original story or Grant Morrison's version, was drugged and then raped by Talia al Ghul so that she could have his child and raise said child to be the ultimate heir of the League of Assassins. Nightwing was raped by a creepy stalker vigilante named Tarantula, and the writer of that comic insisted on calling it nonconsensual sex rather than admitting it was rape.

    Going back to Marvel, we do have Cyclops as mentioned by dragonmp93, Captain Britain (who was once held prisoner with the intent of making him a sex slave, even if it wasn't said out loud), Wonder Man (who was ambiguously assaulted by a maddened Scarlet Witch way back in the day, though the jury is apparently still out on whether or not it was supposed to be heavily implied rape), and probably others I haven't thought of or recalled yet. (Maybe someone else can.) All in all, comics have had to work to shed some incredibly backwards ideas and attitudes as they've progressed through the decades, though one of the most persistent of those backwards ideas and attitudes is how rape is perceived and treated, though in light of how those ideas and attitudes still persist in real life, perhaps I shouldn't be so surprised.
    You have to read between the lines to get it, but there's an 80's issue of Kazar where the female bad guy coerces him into having sex. It's obvious that it was something he didn't want to do and afterwards she mocks him for feeling bad.

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    The Wasp may hold some kind of Marvel record for these moments, because even after the other Silver Age heroines were experienced super heroes, writers were still writing Jan as a useless ditz who couldn't stop thinking about clothes even when the world was in danger.

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    I don't think she really broke out of that until a Marvel Team-Up story by (of course) Chris Claremont toughened her up a bit, and that was in 1977.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gurkle View Post
    The Wasp may hold some kind of Marvel record for these moments, because even after the other Silver Age heroines were experienced super heroes, writers were still writing Jan as a useless ditz who couldn't stop thinking about clothes even when the world was in danger.

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    I don't think she really broke out of that until a Marvel Team-Up story by (of course) Chris Claremont toughened her up a bit, and that was in 1977.
    Truth. I don't have any scans but there's several moments during Roy Thomas's run that the Wasp didn't seem to serve any purpose in the Avengers other than to pout or storm off angrily when Hank didn't notice a new dress she was wearing.

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    Speaking of Jan & sexism. How about her treatment during AXIS?

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    This one never gets old. Poor Susan, she clearly has gone through some sexist ****, even though sexist heroines costumes could fill a thread by it's own

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