All Purpose News and Politics Thread Part IV: The Center Cannot Hold

[aja_christopher]

Man...

That's where you get into a weird sort of "Thought Pickle".

On the one hand, I'd agree with the "Execute The Central Park Five" take. On the other hand, white nationalism isn't really driving him to the point where he will make sure that it's white people staffing his businesses even if it winds up making him less money.

You can be a "white nationalist" while still making sure the "minorities" know their place -- you don't have to be a white "separatist" to be a white nationalist.

Constantly arguing Trump isn't exactly what he's "pretending" to be when he consistently makes stereotypical and blatantly racist statements about Muslims, African-Americans, Mexicans and others is exactly why some people didn't bother voting "against" him in the last election, while many others (like white nationalists) rallied together and voted for him vaulting him to the office of the presidency where he can now promote Muslim bans and border walls while attacking African-American athletes for taking a knee against injustice and police brutality.

If you're still trying to argue that Trump isn't a white supremacist in both word and action, it's only because you don't want to accept the truth about America as a whole, and why the "birther in chief" was elected as president.

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"In a 1991 book, John O'Donnell, the former president of the Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, said Trump had told him: "Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day."

He later called O'Donnell a "loser" in an interview with Playboy, but allowed that, "The stuff O'Donnell wrote about me is probably true."

https://theweek.com/articles/835714/...aid-about-jews

[mogwen]

He wants to do it so bad, but he won't order it because his whole life revolves around deniability.
He'll just keep suggesting it until someone does it for him, they deny everything once the law gets involved.
Whoever the GOP runs in 2024, he'll be the kind of man that will give the order. That's what the base demands.

If he can use it as a diversion, I think there's nothing he won't do: start a war with Iran, sell your country to Russia or ask to kill mothers and babies. about babies, do we have news of the children separated from their parents at the frontier, have they been reunited or have they disappeared into sex traffic?

[WestPhillyPunisher]

If he can use it as a diversion, I think there's nothing he won't do: start a war with Iran, sell your country to Russia or ask to kill mothers and babies. about babies, do we have news of the children separated from their parents at the frontier, have they been reunited or have they disappeared into sex traffic?

Well, last week, a carrier task group had been sent to the Gulf regarding some nebulous bullshit about Iran having stoked tensions or some other nonsense that, as far as I know, hasn't been fully explained to anyone, least of all Congress whom the Trump administration has been giving the middle finger to for weeks now. Yeah, that could well make for a juicy diversion. As for immigrant kids disappearing into the sex trafficking trade, I haven't heard anything on that score, but I wouldn't be the lest bit surprised if that hasn't already happened.

[Tendrin]

You can be a "white nationalist" while still making sure the "minorities" know their place -- you don't have to be a white "separatist" to be a white nationalist

What Aja said.

[mogwen]

Well, last week, a carrier task group had been sent to the Gulf regarding some nebulous bullshit about Iran having stoked tensions or some other nonsense that, as far as I know, hasn't been fully explained to anyone, least of all Congress whom the Trump administration has been giving the middle finger to for weeks now. Yeah, that could well make for a juicy diversion. As for immigrant kids disappearing into the sex trafficking trade, I haven't heard anything on that score, but I wouldn't be the lest bit surprised if that hasn't already happened.

I've seen a few articles awhile ago that said that they couldn't reach the children that were taken into custody by the border patrol and there was no traceability of wherethose children were at the time. Lots of associations were afraid those children would just disappear into sex traffic rings. Then, nothing. It's been a few months ago so I wondered what happened?

[numberthirty]

What Aja said.

Politely, I'm going to have to disagree with the idea that "Dictionary" definitions that the two of you agree on actually apply to the reality of what is happening.

On paper, I would totally agree with that a white nationalist and a white separatist are not exactly the same thing.

The problem is that the difference has nothing to do with the reality that I see.

Richard Spencer? Everything coming out of that guy's mouth is absolutely "White Separatist". That said, he is smart enough to know that he has to say that he is a "White Nationalist".

Me? I'm not going to ignore what "White Nationalist" actually means there in an attempt to try to enforce dictionary definitions on a situation where they don't really apply.

If you see that differently or don't buy into that Spencer's "White Nationalism" has to be Trump's "White Nationalism, to each his(or her) own.

[aja_christopher]

The problem is that the difference has nothing to do with the reality that I see.

Which is the same "reality" that led to you not voting against an overt racist like Trump, then turning around and trying to put the blame on Hillary.

Just because he knows better than to say it out loud doesn't mean he doesn't believe it -- "plausible deniability" only works if it's credible in the face of evidence.

Keep making excuses though -- it's your democracy to lose at this point and the Republicans are going all in while you sit here arguing over semantics.

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"White nationalists advocate for policies to reverse changing demographics and the loss of an absolute, white majority. Ending non-white immigration, both legal and illegal, is an urgent priority — frequently elevated over other racist projects, such as ending multiculturalism and miscegenation — for white nationalists seeking to preserve white, racial hegemony.

White nationalists seek to return to an America that predates the implementation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. Both landmark pieces of legislation are cited as the harbingers of white dispossession and so-called “white genocide” — the idea that whites in the United States are being systematically replaced and destroyed."

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...te-nationalist

[Tendrin]

Politely, I'm going to have to disagree with the idea that "Dictionary" definitions that the two of you agree on actually apply to the reality of what is happening.

On paper, I would totally agree with that a white nationalist and a white separatist are not exactly the same thing.

The problem is that the difference has nothing to do with the reality that I see.

Richard Spencer? Everything coming out of that guy's mouth is absolutely "White Separatist". That said, he is smart enough to know that he has to say that he is a "White Nationalist".

Me? I'm not going to ignore what "White Nationalist" actually means there in an attempt to try to enforce dictionary definitions on a situation where they don't really apply.

If you see that differently or don't buy into that Spencer's "White Nationalism" has to be Trump's "White Nationalism, to each his(or her) own.

None of this actually matters. While you're busy parsing the difference between Spencer and Trump, Trump is separating families at the border, banning Muslim immigration, backing a variety of other indisputably racist projects. He doesn't have to have the exact same Platform as Spencer to be a white nationalist. It really just doesn't matter. The reality of what is happening is that we have a white nationalist president.

[numberthirty]

While this one wasn't huge news, it's worth taking note of...

https://www.rollcall.com/news/campai...mpaign-history

Bernie 2020 becomes first unionized presidential campaign in history

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Which is the same "reality" that led to you not voting against an overt racist like Trump, then turning around and trying to put the blame on Hillary.

Just because he knows better than to say it out loud doesn't mean he doesn't believe it -- "plausible deniability" only works if it's credible in the face of evidence.

To be honest, I have no idea why Trump keeps his blatant white nationalism under wraps. Everyone already knows Trump's a flat out racist, has been for decades, hell, bring up the Central Park Five, and he'll once again rant and rave that they should've been executed, even though evidence showed they were innocent. If Trump came right out today and publicly admitted that he supports Neo-Nazis and the like, his base would eat it up like starving people at a buffet and love him even more than they do now, and his approval numbers might actually go up, not down.

[aja_christopher]

To be honest, I have no idea why Trump keeps his blatant white nationalism under wraps.

Ask Steve King -- it's okay to be a white nationalist in the Republican party so long as you aren't too open about it.

[PwrdOn]

To be honest, I have no idea why Trump keeps his blatant white nationalism under wraps. Everyone already knows Trump's a flat out racist, has been for decades, hell, bring up the Central Park Five, and he'll once again rant and rave that they should've been executed, even though evidence showed they were innocent. If Trump came right out today and publicly admitted that he supports Neo-Nazis and the like, his base would eat it up like starving people at a buffet and love him even more than they do now, and his approval numbers might actually go up, not down.

Frankly, this is why I think that calling out Republicans for being racist is a bit counterproductive these days. It's clear that none of them actually mind that label, and if anything they wear it as a badge of honor for successfully owning the libs or some other nonsense. Instead, we need to start hitting them where it actually hurts them, exposing them for being weak, insecure, wholly un-alpha losers. Maybe punching Richard Spencer wasn't called for, but it did successfully banish him from the public sphere for good, because once his supporters saw him getting clocked by some beta lib cuck and not even retaliate in kind, it killed whatever credibility he had with his supporters.

[Tendrin]

Hotez responded that he doesn't "take a dime from the vaccine industry" and that as a "Texas pediatrician-scientist" vaccine exemptions are "most certainly my business."

Stickland responded minutes later, calling Hotez's profession "sorcery."



"Make the case for your sorcery to consumers on your own dime," he tweeted. "Like every other business. Quit using the heavy hand of government to make your business profitable through mandates and immunity. It's disgusting."

Oh WBE-EEEEEeeeeeee...

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...ist-of-sorcery

[BeastieRunner]

House committee votes to hold Attorney General Barr in contempt

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/08/hous...er-report.html

https://news.yahoo.com/house-judicia...202200206.html

Even if the House votes to hold Barr in contempt, will the Republican-controlled Senate follow?

The SIC subpoenaed Junior.

I think the end is near.

The WH has to fight off both houses and parties now.

[Kusanagi]

The SIC subpoenaed Junior.

I think the end is near.

The WH has to fight off both houses and parties now.

Yeah that shocked me more than anything else in the last couple days, which is saying something.