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    Quote Originally Posted by SecretWarrior View Post
    Thank goodness they were not shipped!

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    Give John some gloves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SecretWarrior View Post
    Whether it's Katma or whomever, I definitely like John in a committed relationship.

    I really wished John was back into some kind of relationship with a female character. Although I didn't care much for his relationship with Fatality, at least it made him not be a one-dimensional character as what was shown with the previous creative teams (due to obvious reasons of course). Van Jensen done a good job there.

    If there was anyone who had a real good chance to get John Stewart back into a relationship, it could've been Scott Snyder. I don't think any writer had as much of a perfect chance for John to get in a relationship with Hawkgirl as much as Scott Snyder. It's really sad (and upsetting) that John and Sheyera didn't really had NOTHING to say at all in that Hawkworld story arc. Scott Snyder literally SAID IN HIS OWN WORDS that one of the best moments throughout the years of the Justice League history was his relationship with Hawkgirl. Us John Stewart fans can criticize Geoff Johns all we want, but one thing about him, he made his fans happy. He made Hal Jordan a more popular character and developed his relationship. He written him that way and held back the John Stewart character because he was a real fan. It's like one of the biggest Hal fans on these CBR forums writing the character. Professional fan fiction. That's what's missing with the John Stewart character. What makes matters worse is that there are some vocal Hawkgirl fans who are also fans of John's relationship with Shayera. He just don't want to deliver. Either someone is holding Scott Snyder back (which I doubt, considering his power) or he was lying ALL ALONG to us fans this whole time.

    I like the John/Barry dynamic, but that wasn't what I was looking for here. And there was nothing really explosive on them on the latest issue of JL. I was expecting strong animated JL vibes, but instead it's a bunch of JLU mess that loses focus on the core team that really matters. It's really beyond me on why Scott Snyder would match Hawkgirl with Martian Manhunter, considering stating in his own words that John and Shayera as a couple was one of the best moments in Justice League history. NO way at all that a true fan would ignore his/her chance to pair them back together.

    And about John getting back with Katma, well that's not gonna happen either since a writer already pitched that and editors are not making a decision for that pitch.

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    Another thing I would like to point out, which is really irritating to me as a fan is that you have all of these LONG 2 hour live stream of interviews, interview podcasts and so on with Scott Snyder. NONE of these guys EVER ask him about his plans on characters like John Stewart and what happened with his developments from the Totality arc. You'll mostly hear them ask Scott Snyder about Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter. What happened to the other characters on the team!? Do they not matter? It's by far ridiculous in my opinion. What ever happened to the tattoo ring!? Those guys never asked him that question, because it isn't important to them.
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    After reading Sodam's posts, I see my blue power ring is running on empty.

    I think I'll read some Pre-Crisis stuff, or revisit classic Marvel stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Shaw View Post
    After reading Sodam's posts, I see my blue power ring is running on empty.

    I think I'll read some Pre-Crisis stuff, or revisit classic Marvel stories.
    I'm still holding out hope (St. Walker is my favorite ring slinger after all), my blue ring will stay alight for the both of us. not about the gloves tho, gloves on John turns my ring red.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonpeace View Post
    I'm still holding out hope (St. Walker is my favorite ring slinger after all), my blue ring will stay alight for the both of us. not about the gloves tho, gloves on John turns my ring red.
    Wait...you got that smiling avi...but been flexing a red ring all this time?!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Shaw View Post
    Wait...you got that smiling avi...but been flexing a red ring all this time?!

    i... you see....what had happened..

    THE SIGNAL (Duke Thomas) is DC's secret shonen protagonist so I made him a fandom wiki

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny View Post
    The fact that this actually made it to print says something both for the author and editorial.
    That would be Kevin Dooley who was editor. Who had a falling out with Isabella & Jones.

    And if you take into context what Lemonpeace posted that ending CAN be brushed away as not sexual.

    Hindsight NOW opens it to questioning. Same way one would have to question every book including the Green Lantern, Supergirl, Teen Titans and so on under Eddie Berganza.


    All the more reason why we need more content with this character besides team books. Mosaic can't and shouldn't be the only run pointed to.
    And that is never going to happen.


    ...Kind of surprised this only came up now.
    That series is NOT in trade. Excluding Emerald Dawn- very little of Jones's stuff is in trades. Marvel pretends Prime and Ultraverse never happened and his version of El Diablo is NOT in trade.

    Other than me and a few others who has that complete run?

    For a more "genuine" black romance in DC animation for people specifically interested in that, I think Static and Daisy is a better portrayal. Static was no longer pining for Frieda while he was with Daisy. Speaking of all of this...
    Cartoon Static never lusted for Frieda. Daisy & Static were not shown as much unlike in the comic. However that ended and while it was NEVER shown-Static & Frieda got married and had twins.

    Justice League Unlimited had a large cast that prevent stuff from being shown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyvolt2000 View Post
    Cartoon Static never lusted for Frieda. Daisy & Static were not shown as much unlike in the comic. However that ended and while it was NEVER shown-Static & Frieda got married and had twins.
    I'm not sure if I would use the phrase "lusting after" her, but Frieda was Static's romantic interest in some of the earliest episodes of the show before Daisy was ever introduced. It's pretty unmistakable in the very first episode, but some stuff can also be seen in others:
    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5o70jv

    (zoom to about 5:50)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampire Savior View Post
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    I was reading Green Lantern: Mosaic #1 just now, and it's amazing how nobody noticed this.
    Thanks for posting this, the responses it garnered is an interesting study in internet fandom. I first read Mosaic about 20 years ago, and do recall thinking "Wow, a three-way with two Asian-looking alien girls - definitely going for risque here." In hindsight? Yeah, not a good look for anybody. And it's a bigger shame because it's an interesting series that deserves to be collected.

    But - the rush to defend John Stewart struck me. It reminds me of the 1990s Hal/Kyle debates, where after a lot of back and forth immaturity, eventually an oversensitive Kyle Rayner fan would call Hal Jordan a pedophile due to the Arisia thing. And the oversensitive Hal fans would try to defend the situation - either his actions, or via some excuse. But...Hal's not real - it's just a story where authorial intent led to a story with some murky morality. It should just be ignored, not defended out of some loyalty to a fictional character.

    Same here. There's an opportunity here - we can recognize that the fictional character is not to blame, and doesn't require defense. They are just lines on paper, that are either pleasing or not. The author is responsible for the good and the bad.

    Fictional characters do not have agency.

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    I think the problem is crap like this can really hurt characters and the perception towards them in the long run. 40+ years ago someone had the bright idea to have Hank Pym strike Janet van Dyne and to this day Pym is primarily known for two things: being a wifebeater and creating a genocidal robot. This character is a founding Avenger and yet bad writing has made him a toxic character. I completely understand people who complain about the Mosaic scene and moments like that in general because they're doing no favors to the characters' longevity factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Ellingham View Post
    Thanks for posting this, the responses it garnered is an interesting study in internet fandom. I first read Mosaic about 20 years ago, and do recall thinking "Wow, a three-way with two Asian-looking alien girls - definitely going for risque here." In hindsight? Yeah, not a good look for anybody. And it's a bigger shame because it's an interesting series that deserves to be collected.

    But - the rush to defend John Stewart struck me. It reminds me of the 1990s Hal/Kyle debates, where after a lot of back and forth immaturity, eventually an oversensitive Kyle Rayner fan would call Hal Jordan a pedophile due to the Arisia thing. And the oversensitive Hal fans would try to defend the situation - either his actions, or via some excuse. But...Hal's not real - it's just a story where authorial intent led to a story with some murky morality. It should just be ignored, not defended out of some loyalty to a fictional character.

    Same here. There's an opportunity here - we can recognize that the fictional character is not to blame, and doesn't require defense. They are just lines on paper, that are either pleasing or not. The author is responsible for the good and the bad.

    Fictional characters do not have agency.
    You're welcome.

    I didn't bring that out to attack John Stewart, which I think someone believed I did. I was just posting my observation and how I interpreted it. It's still my personal opinion that Gerard Jones was up to some skulduggery with what he wrote there. Those scenes are pretty suspicious for anyone to write (the sexual suggestions with a grown man and prepubescent girls are obvious), but coming from a guy that had over 600 known files of child pornography on his computer and who was brazen enough to upload some of that to Youtube? That's a majorly ill person, and I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this. Anything involving children with him should be under scrutiny, and here he's written two little girls having orgasms using John Stewart, and who walks away hand in hand with them at the end to do it again? That's really, really, REALLY bizarre. It isn't the main focus of the story, so it can be sort of easy to not notice, I guess, despite it being obvious.

    I did consider Hal Jordan and Arisia when I posted that. My thinking was that Hal Jordan didn't have anything on John Stewart. At least Arisia didn't have the body of a prepubescent :O

    But yeah, this ultimately falls on the writers, and to a lesser extent, the editors.
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    little John cameo on the cover of Far Sector #2
    THE SIGNAL (Duke Thomas) is DC's secret shonen protagonist so I made him a fandom wiki

    also, check out "The Signal Tape" a Duke Thomas fan project.

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    • Manga (Shonen/Seinen): One Piece, My Hero, Dandadan, Jujutsu Kaisen, Kaiju No. 8, Reincarnation of The Veteran Soldier, Oblivion Rouge, ORDEAL, The Breaker: Eternal Force

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    where is John now? Is he mentoring "Teen Lantern" I'd like to see that.

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