Mayor Pete was the big winner in NH. He go’s into Bernie’s backyard and receivers the same amount of delegates.
Mayor Pete was the big winner in NH. He go’s into Bernie’s backyard and receivers the same amount of delegates.
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You didn't, at all, answer my question. This is one gigantic strawman again. Consolidating progressives is not enough to win the general. Even Bernie people have acknowledged that. The promise has been that Bernie will get people who don't normally vote, out to vote for him to make up the difference between Hillary's support and Obama's. It did not manifest in NH. How long in this process, without those people showing up, do we go before we can toss that theory out?
Just to shut your strawman up, pretend I'm 100% in agreement that Bernie is in "the best position" - it is UTTERLY IRRELEVANT to what I posted and the concern associated with it. Now, I'll ask again, when do these previously uncounted progressives and young people (energized by Bernie, probably by lightning from his fingers) show up? I'd like it in black and white so that you're either a) right and they showed up as expected or b) wrong and you can't pretend you didn't realize it was an issue.
That’s because you are too blind to see that your initial question is a strawman while you accuse others of strawmanning
Scenario: Sanders wins primary. Disagrees with your narrative. You pivot and set up a straw man saying “no the real argument is that Sanders main validity is drawing in progressives and independents so unless the numbers in this specific state support that, it’s a bad omen”. You created an argument to argue against in the face of success
That’s actually a textbook straw man. His validity is that he has the best ideas, has consistency, has a broad coalition especially with the youth that Dems desire to come out and he can succeed.
I didn't "create" an argument. I looked at exit polls for the trends people have told me will allow Bernie to win. What do you think "energy" is code for? Why do you think Bernie and his supporters talk about "young voters" and "independents" and celebrated Joe Rogan and other endorsements? Why they lambasted Clinton for some of those very same demographics in her loss.
Moderate candidates have argued they can pull conservative Democrats over and win swing states. There is evidence in the data from New Hampshire and Iowa this is possible. Not from Biden, but for Buttigieg. They have their own concerns. For example, we're about to go to Nevada with a higher latino population. And South Carolina with a much higher black population. If Buttigieg or Klobuchar can't pull some of that support, they can't win either. The difference is, I doubt you'd get anyone on this forum to disagree with that. It's only you Bernie types that can't walk back from the brink of insanity long enough to have a rational discussion, that relevant issues like this fail as a discussion.
Instead of discussing why those numbers aren't there yet, you just dumped a bunch of buzzwords because you don't want to address the question. Next time you don't want to answer a question...just don't. You look like a tool for this goofy attempt to dodge the problem. If you were the honest type and wanted to make an honest retort, you'd just say "Yeah, we need to see those numbers trend differently in future primaries, I'm not worried for now" Instead....this clown car of text you managed. Yeesh.
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No you tried to set up an argument that Bernie’s viability was centered around something you interpreted to be negatives in edit polls.
The fact that it is based off flawed metrics is beside the point because of you think energy matters, you’d have to concede every candidate has less than him by your own metrics. But you set that strawman up to be exclusive to him.
Just like you were wrong about NH always going to him.
Also don’t call people tools. It’s shows that you are just upset that you didn’t get the outcome you wanted
But you blatantly set up a textbook strawman and then accused others of strawman for not wanting to engage with it
You don't know what a strawman is. Analyzing exit poll data for trends and other things of interest to generate a discussion is not a strawman. I didn't misrepresent anyone, I didn't use it to distract from a point, I brought it up from the data born out of the primary. You chose to engage with it....with a strawman and now this hilarious attempt out of that box.
Bernie's electability/viability as a candidate IS centered on independents, young voters, and non-voters. (Also, to older black voters. You'll notice, I didn't address that with any of the candidates because there is no data to draw conclusions from) Bernie cannot win the general without better turnout by the promised support groups. If it doesn't show up in future primaries, he will lose. Whether it's to someone else in the primary or Trump, the L is coming.
Jesus Christ.
Analyzing data isn’t a strawman. Setting up your self proclaimed argument as “ Bernie and his supporters have been touting how he will bring energy and progressive out that have shunned elections. Has that happened?“ So you can use data to debate his viability in the face of a win and many other positive metrics is quite literally setting up an alternative argument to attack. Which is by definition a strawman
No...I'm using data from a win to project strengths and weaknesses. Just like I see Buttigieg pulling no support from lower incomes or latinos being a problem for his path forward. No one here has Buttigieg as their personal savior so that doesn't seem likely to create much discussion.
Data from Sanders' NH win and tie in Iowa shows more weakness where there has been argued to be a strength. If that doesnt reverse, much like Buttigieg and hispanic voters in NV, the path to a Presidency seems dicey at best.