but Tiammaty wrote that this is not only in US but in all countries where majority of population is white.
then can You explain to me one thing?
Why do You think that black and asian people are going to live in countries where majority of population is racist? and they can't have a job?
Do You think that they are stupid?
I have read some studies but I couldn't find any proof that there is institunional racism in US or Europe.One only needs to peruse minority media and tons of academic studies.
and there is a lot of black actors and musicans who don't believe that people are racists.Not to mention there are creators on this board that could provide anecdotal evidence.
I also can show You many recist post of users rom this forum.
and they are black or masochists
here some users tried to convince me that black race is superior to white.
Lol...what?
I seriously doubt you've actually read anything on US history. Note, I didn't say Black history, I'm talking American history.
But I can help.
https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www....sm-america.amp
Like I said earlier, this is a dead end discussion.
Let's just move on.
You're right it is (sort of) a dead end. Liberals will continually deny any type of discrimination towards white people (also i'm not saying that they are discriminated on more or as much as POCs), while Cons will continually deny any sort of discrimination happening to minorities. I'm at least willing to see that there is discrimination, everywhere...but like not in as dramatically high volumes as everyone thinks. I think if more of these discussions were laced with science and facts and less 'feels' that they would be less of a dead-end, but facts are an ever-changing variable in this day and age right? Like how the professors at universities can distort facts anytime in order to maintain their narrative, perpetuate the victim mentality, and reinforce racial disharmony in the never-ending cycle of hate. So I guess it is a dead-end discussion unless you're privy to one of the many elite universities or just have access to a tumblr account, the facts and rules change all of the time to fit the changeling narrative so really it does not have to be a dead-end.
EDIT: Also I don't know where this last part is coming from, is Cebulski or a majority of Marvel nazi-sympathizers? Or was this just a strawman?
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Spiderfang :
trueI'm at least willing to see that there is discrimination, everywhere...but like not in as dramatically high volumes as everyone thinks.
I would say this is rare
but it is sad that so many people don't remember that western countries are usally good.
I don't think that laws in arabic countries are better.
I don't think that african countries in africa are so incredible.
I don’t see issues of discrimination as conservative or liberal. On that we agree. However, I can never ever agree that majority straight white people face the same level of discrimination as LGBT and minorities. That’s just false.
The last part, the radicalization of white men is something that’s just now being identified and discussed.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...tics-breitbart
You might not agree with everything in the article but there’s a lot of anger towards minority and female rights at the moment. We see a lot of it on online forums. Sure there’s a backlash against “outrage PC culture (a lot of those Twitter and tumblr people are woefully misguided) but a lot of young guys don’t know where to draw the line (the tragedy is the guys that feel like this fail to realize they are closer to the radical Islamists they so abhorre).
I wish there was a "like" option on this site and yes we're on the same page as far as straight white folk go absolutely, pretty much cream of the crop as long as they don't look too or have too foreign-y sounding names..but yea you're right. Yea I have noticed an increase of "un-pc" (as they call it) behavior from various online venues (I thought you were referring to Marvel or this thread in general so I apologize for my daftness) where random users would refer to groups of people they disliked with derogatory terms with impunity, and when questioned (i.e. called out) on it they would claim the age old excuse "no I don't hate xx people, my cousin is xx" or "it's just a joke." So yea I can definitely get where you're coming from now (thanks for the link btw).
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why we have radicalization of white men right now?
Do You have any ideas?
I don't know where You live but i sometimes think: maybe I should become a gay?However, I can never ever agree that majority straight white people face the same level of discrimination as LGBT and minorities. That’s just false.
this is rational decision (the laws to protect people who are not white men are strong).
better support from goverment would also be helpful.
Matt Murdock's cooler twin brother
I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!
Thomas More - A Man for All Seasons
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That doesn't even feel analogous. Stolen Valor at least feels in the ballpark and I would think is a useful analogy for why what Cebulski did is problematic.
Matt Murdock's cooler twin brother
I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!
Thomas More - A Man for All Seasons
Interested in reading Daredevil? Not sure what to read next? Why not check out the Daredevil Book Club for some ideas?
It's probably why Marvel was "ok" with it because on some level they had to know. The wiki on the Elektra: The Hand even said that Cebulski suggested the artist to the writer & editor for the series. AND it was based on an idea he originally submitted and was rejected. They had to know on some level that it was him.
Pretending to be someone else to get published...regardless of who you're pretending to be is the same thing. You're arguing far more beyond than the basic: he lied to get published. And that's all this is.
Not buying the part about a woman not getting published just by going by their name either. I think that sometimes that may have been done for the benefit of the purchaser. Take the case of D.C. Fontana or Dorothy Catherine Fontana. She always used D.C. Fontana and wrote scripts for a number of genres in TV, Bonanza, Ben Casey, The Waltons, etc. But most people know her from her days working on Star Trek. She is primarily credited with developing Spock's backstory with episodes like Journey to Babel. Gene knew she was a woman since she also worked for a while as his production secretary on the show and was there when the show's "bible" was being developed.
But we don't even have consider how some women have disguised their names. The names like Agatha Christie, Margaret Mitchell, Daphne Du Maurier, Anne Rice, Margaret Atwood etc certainly didn't stop people from buying their books. Or Sara Paretsky’s popular series of crime novels. Most of the time people think of women writing things in the romance novel genre but there are quite a few in the crime novel genre. You have to look beyond the realm of the comic book sometimes
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On the pen name thing.... Franklin W Dixon ... the name on every Hardy Boy book, does not exist. They were all ghost writers paid to write these books. Multiple ghost writers. Youngin me did not know that. I thought Franklin W Dixon was the greatest writer ever. :-) Imagine adult me finding on the internet back in it's infancy that was not the case.
Maybe it was because these writers couldn't get published otherwise. Maybe the publisher wanted it this way for whatever reason. (I do believe Nancy Drew was the same way.) Either way I don't think it takes anything from the books (that I still own and read) and as far as the information I read, all the writers knew this up front and got paid. So I guess what I am getting at is I am completely baffled how this is a big deal other than wanting to take a pot shot at CB.
Edit: Heinrich Karl Bukowski better known as Charles Bukowski a white straight male changed his name for fear his German first name wouldn't get him published. And even at that, outside his writing, it went by Henry. He did eventually get published, as we should all be thankful for. Yeah this is just one case, but there's lots more than skin color that effects people's perception on things.
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