Carol Danvers - Captain Marvel Appreciation 2019

[lilyinblue]

Characters could challenge you in multiple ways outside power. Superman's biggest enemy is a schemer not a powerhouse. Superman's comic since rebirth has been pretty family oriented and portrays him as a father and husband I don't get how mopey Batman who puts his persona at the forefront in more relatable than that. People like Batman because he's edgy, dark and pop culture.

Carol's big weakness has never been powerhouses either. She's always been a little susceptible to getting her head messed with - in more ways than one. It's definitely possible to throw problems her way that she can't blast her way out of.

[snark^]

Just seen it here in NZ. I was thoroughly enjoying it until the third act, where things got a little bit ridiculous/silly - I really got the impression the writers don't flat-out know how to do action: the sequences didn't gel or suffered from a bad misunderstanding of physics (even superhero physics).

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Example: we got to see Ronan's fleet's missile barrage spread out as each one went for a different target, yet when Carol hurls the one she caught back it takes them all out... somehow. Things appear to happen because the writers say so (authorial fiat) rather than happening naturally. Having Carol go from half-powered to Binary level instantly kinda wrecked things too. There's a lot of people calling it OP here and I agree on the whole - the imagery of her zapping all those ships was cool - but it's more like they're conflating her with the Starbrand/planetary defence level of thing.

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Up until they reached the lab it was great though - really thought they did well re-jigging her comics history and making it all fit, and fit well.

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Starforce were underutilised as a whole. Got a glimpse of why Korath might turn to Ronan later. Didn't think Yon-Rogg would survive so that was a bit of a twist. Minn-Erva dead? - no body so she's probably still alive. Blue-Ubba the Space-Viking, and the Other One barely got anything to do. Loved the Skrulls being Space-Australians. Nice twist to not have them be the villains (yet). Perhaps Talos's group is the nice one and we've not met their religious sect yet. He Loves You. Not enough Son of Coul (even the Skrull version). Could have benefited from more of a look at SHIELD as a whole really - it just felt a bit small-scale there, like it was Fury and his local team. Loved Goose/Chewie. Fury pointing him around like a weapon was both funny and awesome. Now if Goose got left behind on Earth where's she been all this time? Mind you she did hang out at Project Pegasus for six years after Lawson disappeared so I suppose roaming the world for another two dozen would be no problem. There's only Fury really knows what she is. Bet everyone else has always been wondering how does he makes all the bodies disappear so well...

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I probably will go back for a second viewing. Just want to see if there's anything I missed which might put that third act in a better light.

[Celgress]

Characters could challenge you in multiple ways outside power. Superman's biggest enemy is a schemer not a powerhouse. Superman's comic since rebirth has been pretty family oriented and portrays him as a father and husband I don't get how mopey Batman who puts his persona at the forefront in more relatable than that. People like Batman because he's edgy, dark and pop culture.

Not me, I like him because he isn't OP (same goes for Spider-Man) in other words he is mortal so to speak. Granted, this aspect has been pretty much done away with in the comics "Prep God Batman".

[Celgress]

The actress was kinda flat, IMHO. The child playing Monica was much more interesting.

The kid was indeed a bright spot, IMO.

[juan678]

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[MyriVerse]

I thought the first act kind of dragged a little, but otherwise, it was awesome! I do have plenty of Carol bias. She was sort of the first comic I ever had (even before X-Men). I really think of all the MCU movies, I liked this one (perhaps) the best, but I have a stronger attachment to the character than Cap, Tony, Thor, etc. I was very skeptical going into the theatre, but I think they did Carol very well (better than in the books, lately).

I like all of that 90s music, but I really don't think it meshed well with the movie. No Doubt's "Just A Girl" for a fight scene? C'mon!! IIRC, this was right about when Carol was being dissed for being "just human." White Zombie's "More Human" would have been a better choice. IknowIknow-- they can't always get the songs they want. "Just A Girl" just made the scene kinda corny to me. In fact, no music at all would have been better.

[Ascended]

Well, I was thoroughly satisfied with the movie. And now I can end my self-induced exile from this thread!

What can I say without being super spoilery?

Overall the movie was easily on par with most Marvel films; I'd say its on the same level as Black Panther; really damn strong for a first-off solo film, but not quite on the same level as Winter Soldier or Infinity War. The effects were top notch, the soundtrack was great, the plot was as solid as you should expect from the MCU (it does have a few holes) and the humor was choice. The acting was excellent and Brie really stands out. Her facial expressions are spot-on and she manages to deliver lines with both a deadpan sarcasm and a lot of nuance and personality. I cant wait to see her in a scene with Downy, Hemsworth, Evans, and the other major actors. The supporting cast was well handled, though I wish we could have seen more of many of them, and the same goes for the villains. In this it felt more like an earlier MCU film where the bad guys don't get the attention they should've. There are a couple twists in the plot that're fun and (more or less) unexpected, some great easter eggs.....

Yeah, its another MCU movie. Which is exactly what it should have been.

And now I'm ready to see her and Thor kick Thanos' ass!

[GodThor]

I just came back from watching it.

I would give it 7/10.

it's average like most of MCU movies.

Brie was fine and her interactions with Sam were really good.

I have no idea where the hate for Brie came.

she was good, not the best ever, but she will find her footing like CA and Thor did.

some things I didn't like were:

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1. Fury's eye being scratch by a cat was meh tbh and Last time I trusted someone I lost my eye is a joke LoL 2. Fury's We are outgunned when Thor and Loki arrived holds no merit nor it does make sense 3. Fury making up the Avengers project because of Captain Marvel didn't set well for me

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other then that, movie was good.

[responsarbre]

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I kinda both llike and dislike the handling of Skrulls, I am happy they don't go with the generic evil Skrull route. But making them underpowered refugees kinda limit future use of them. I mean, they are supposed to be a Galactic civilization that can stand toe to toe to Kree Empire. And I expected morally grey depiction of both sides. But Kree just end up being the Empire from Star Wars, the most powerful and evil of all without rivals. (Xandar may count, but again, Ronan invaded their capital with one ship.) Yeah, I know it took place in 90s, but 20 plus years is not enough to let Skrulls develop as a civilization I think, we may still get ugly friendly alien Skrulls, but their culture and darker side could be lost.

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Personally, I really, really, really loved what they did with the Skrulls and I wouldn't mind if they don't really play them as evil as in the future. Their portrayal here definitely felt like a reaction to the way Bendis and co. made them extremely gross racist analogies for Muslims in Secret Invasion.

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I think what I liked most was their take on her origin. It was streamlined but still pretty faithful to the origin material in its own way. The MCU is really good at doing stuff like that.

[Mike_Murdock]

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Personally, I really, really, really loved what they did with the Skrulls and I wouldn't mind if they don't really play them as evil as in the future. Their portrayal here definitely felt like a reaction to the way Bendis and co. made them extremely gross racist analogies for Muslims in Secret Invasion.

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I would argue it's a different take, but very much a natural inspiration based on Secret Invasion.

[gurkle]

I think it was sort of interesting that spoilers:

the movie version seemed to draw a bit from the concept of the first issue of Ms. Marvel where Ms. Marvel didn't know she was Carol Danvers. This was never intended to last - Gerry Conway actually wrote a text piece in the first issue promising readers that Ms. Marvel would soon know who she really was - and it didn't. But I feel like the very earliest version of a character often has a big impact on adaptations.

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[MindofShadow]

I just came back from watching it.

I would give it 7/10.

it's average like most of MCU movies.

Brie was fine and her interactions with Sam were really good.

I have no idea where the hate for Brie came.

she was good, not the best ever, but she will find her footing like CA and Thor did.

some things I didn't like were:

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1. Fury's eye being scratch by a cat was meh tbh and Last time I trusted someone I lost my eye is a joke LoL 2. Fury's We are outgunned when Thor and Loki arrived holds no merit nor it does make sense 3. Fury making up the Avengers project because of Captain Marvel didn't set well for me

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other then that, movie was good.

I always go back to the fact that Fury is a professional liar. His "excuse" of the Hydra weapons being made was simply that... an excuse he used at the time. Plus, he needed an immediate response if something like that destoryer teleported onto earth. CM isn't THAT fast.

Plus I wonder how much he really saw in regards to CM letting lose. he was in that ship the whole time or on earth while CM was in space. He may not have seen everything.

Anywho, this movie felt a LOT like Thor 1. And just like Thor 1, while I understand it... I would have preferred more time spent in space with the Kree than with the Earth crew. I do like Thor 1 more though but I simply like the character more.

This movie is very solid for me. Middle of the pack MCU wise but I like all the MCU movies so that isn't a slight at all. I'll be excited to see CM in End GAme... I think her and Thor would really get along lol

[lilyinblue]

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3. Fury making up the Avengers project because of Captain Marvel didn't set well for me

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Could have been worse!

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In the comics, her callsign was 'Cheeseburger', not Avenger. All these years, we could have been watching movies about the building of the Cheeseburger Initiative...

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[Mike_Murdock]

I think it was sort of interesting that spoilers:

the movie version seemed to draw a bit from the concept of the first issue of Ms. Marvel where Ms. Marvel didn't know she was Carol Danvers. This was never intended to last - Gerry Conway actually wrote a text piece in the first issue promising readers that Ms. Marvel would soon know who she really was - and it didn't. But I feel like the very earliest version of a character often has a big impact on adaptations.

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A bit of that and also a bit of:
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Carol losing her memories either in Avengers Annual 10 or possibly more accurately, in KSD's run. Monica Rambeau seems to be at least partially inspired by Kit.

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[snark^]

Could have been worse!

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In the comics, her callsign was 'Cheeseburger', not Avenger. All these years, we could have been watching movies about the building of the Cheeseburger Initiative...

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Very true. "Cheeseburgers, Assemble!", sounds more like something you'd hear in a burger joint when the staff get really enthusiastic about working there.

"Cheeseburgers, Cheese it!" would be more appropriate I suppose.