Astonishing X-Men #6 MAJOR SPOILERS

[DurararaFTW]

In a physical fight Fantomex shoots guns, Mystique shoots guns, Gambit can make anything and everything explode. In the past Logan and Gambit have built up a reputation for being notoriously difficult to mindread but here they were most useful to Xavier for the distraction to SK in the physical realm, is that so hard to accept? Fantomex was just adequate in his role in the fight, what Xavier primarily wanted out of him was a body with a face that most people weren't familiar with as belonging to anyone yet, that's obvious enough.

[Jiraiya]

6-12 months?
Rogue and Gambir = january
that's next month

Maybe but the book is Rogue and Gambit he could very likely be just supporting Rogue. Rogue is the writers fav not Gambit.it is also not a confirmed ongoing so as mini the argument stands we don't know what's going to happen. If he sucks in that only place left is Red. And he is massively redundant on that team which has an abundance of stealth character that the writer could use to continue the trend of trashing him. it's not like say having your own team as Rogue does where the character is shown reverence and respect.

As for feets such as catching some feathers that is the SK who may be boosting his powers skills so it is not truly his own feets. All that will be left is the legacy of murder and blood. I'd say that is a poor outcome.

[TheForbiddenOne]

Gambit is no less fluid. He has kinetic energy flowing through him constsntly which is part of the reason he has been described as having resistance.

The explanations provided by Soule make no sense. I am not arguing that it is impossible for Gambit to be possessed. I am arguing the reasons Soule choose made no sense given the continuity. Writers make continuity mistakes all the time so the fact Soule had Xavier say it doesnt mean it makes sense. Soule himself said this was continuity lite so not sure why anyone would just take what was said as Gospel.

Having kinetic energy isn't fluidity, it just moving power around. By that logic Bishop would b e fluid as well, there is no depth to your argument.

The point in the book makes perfect sense, you're just being butthurt. Gambit gives in to debauchery too much to not be taken by the Shadow King, in addition his persona makes him bad in a fight vs SK. Its pretty easy, sure you can make counter arguments if you try to stretch logic but that doesn't make your criticisms valid.

[remydat]

In a physical fight Fantomex shoots guns, Mystique shoots guns, Gambit can make anything and everything explode. In the past Logan and Gambit have built up a reputation for being notoriously difficult to mindread but here they were most useful to Xavier for the distraction to SK in the physical realm, is that so hard to accept? Fantomex was just adequate in his role in the fight, what Xavier primarily wanted out of him was a body with a face that most people weren't familiar with as belonging to anyone yet, that's obvious enough.

Great and if Soule explained that in the book then we wouldn't be having this debate. Instead the reasons he gave were dumb.

[Xelossik]

Maybe but the book is Rogue and Gambit he could very likely be just supporting Rogue. Rogue is the writers fav not Gambit.it is also not a confirmed ongoing so as mini the argument stands we don't know what's going to happen. If he sucks in that only place left is Red. And he is massively redundant on that team which has an abundance of stealth character that the writer could use to continue the trend of trashing him. it's not like say having your own team as Rogue does where the character is shown reverence and respect.

As for feets such as catching some feathers that is the SK who may be boosting his powers skills so it is not truly his own feets. All that will be left is the legacy of murder and blood. I'd say that is a poor outcome.

1 - KT wrote that she likes both of them... not Rogue only
2 - Rogue also doesn't have safe place right now. No one knows where she will be after June. Avengers No Surrender will end in april. Rogue and Gambit will end one month later. Astonishing X-men will end in june. That's less safe than Gambit. but she usually had someplace so she probably is safe.

As for feets such as catching some feathers that is the SK who may be boosting his powers skills so it is not truly his own feets.

true but all x-men did nothing in this arc
maybe next arc will be better

All that will be left is the legacy of murder and blood.

I dont agree. No one will think about bad about Gambit because of this. He was mind controlled.

[TheForbiddenOne]

1 - KT wrote that she likes both of them... not Rogue only
2 - Rogue also doesn't have safe place right now. No one knows where she will be after June. Avengers No Surrender will end in april. Rogue and Gambit will end one month later. Astonishing X-men will end in june. That's less safe than Gambit. but she usually had someplace so she probably is safe.

Where did you get that Astonishing X-men will end in June?

[Xelossik]

So Rogue with powers beat Shadow King ie resisted his attempts to possess her.

Not sure how that trumps Gambit without powers convincing Bogan he was possessed when in fact he was not. So I already explained why it is better. Gambit was a flatscan at the time. And he did not merely resist possession. He fooled Bogan into thinking he was possessed which is more complex because it requires giving Bogan enough control over his mind to give the impression he is being controlled.

A flatscan beating Bogan is a bigger feat than a mutant defeating SK particularly when the flatscan had to give Bogan some access to hia mind in order to make it look like he was being controlled.

1 - Rogue also imprison Shadow King then...
2 - Rogue powers don't give her resistance to mind control. She is flatsca against mind attacks

when the flatscan had to give Bogan some access to hia mind in order to make it look like he was being controlled.

he had better access to Rogue mind because he was really there

[remydat]

Having kinetic energy isn't fluidity, it just moving power around. By that logic Bishop would b e fluid as well, there is no depth to your argument.

The point in the book makes perfect sense, you're just being butthurt. Gambit gives in to debauchery too much to not be taken by the Shadow King, in addition his persona makes him bad in a fight vs SK. Its pretty easy, sure you can make counter arguments if you try to stretch logic but that doesn't make your criticisms valid.

Bishop doesnt have kinetic energy flowing in his body. He absorbs kinetic energy external to him. That is completely different. Do you understand physics?

Having kinetic energy constantly flowing in his body has been explained as a reason why he has resistance. Writers decided that not me. No such thing occurs with Bishop.

Gambit has resisted SK and Bogan before so your argument makes no sense. Further Gambit has not been busy being King of Thieves which was Soule's argument.

[Xelossik]

Where did you get that Astonishing X-men will end in June?

They wrote that this will be maxi series (12 issues)
7th january
8th febuary
9th march
10th april
11th may
12th june

[remydat]

1 - Rogue also imprison Shadow King then...
2 - Rogue powers don't give her resistance to mind control. She is flatsca against mind attacks

he had better access to Rogue mind because he was really there

Soule just said he chose Rogue because she is always changing ie he defined it as a function of her powers. Further other writers said it was because of all the personalities in her head. So the canon is that it is a function of her powers.

SK was in her mind but she kicked him out. Bogan was in Gambit's mind and Gambit let him put up his feet, drink bear and watch TV then was like, "JK get the fuck out of here," when Bogan thought he had complete control.

SK wasnt fooled by Rogue. Bogan was completely duped by Gambit.

[TheForbiddenOne]

Bishop doesnt have kinetic energy flowing in his body. He absorbs kinetic energy external to him. That is completely different. Do you understand physics?

Having kinetic energy completely flowing in your body has been explained as a reason ehy he has resistance. Writers decided that not me. No such thing occurs with Bishop.

Gambit has resisted SK and Bogan before so ypur argument makes no sense. Further Gambit has not been busy being King of Thieves which was Soule's argument.

The difference between them is irrelevant because the point is that neither of there powers lend themselves to fluid. While different Gabmit's kinetic powers make him no more fluid than Bishop's does at this point.

The whole king of thieves is just one out of multiple reasons he chose not keep Gambit. You're holding on to that on bit because its the easiest to poke holes in. Do you even understand to begin with how the Shadow King takes control of people's bodies, its not as if Xavier simple stops that form happening. Its the same reason OML was taken by the Shadow King. GAMBIT GAVE INTO SHADOW KING'S REALITY. Thats why he was possessed, not because Xavier decided he didn't want him. You have to willfully make yourself not see the point here.

[Xelossik]

Soule just said he chose Rogue because she is always changing ie he defined it as a function of her powers. Further other writers said it was because of all the personalities in her head. So the canon is that it is a function of her powers.

SK was in her mind but she kicked him out. Bogan was in Gambit's mind and Gambit let him put up his feet, drink bear and watch TV then was like, "JK get the fuck out of here," when Bogan thought he had complete control.

SK wasnt fooled by Rogue. Bogan was completely duped by Gambit.

1 - she didn't use her powers in soule astonishing x-men to boost her resistance in astral plane
2 - she didn't absorb other personalities in xtreme x-men
3 - she didn't kick him...she imprisoned him inside her

why fooling is better?

[Jiraiya]

The difference between them is irrelevant because the point is that neither of there powers lend themselves to fluid. While different Gabmit's kinetic powers make him no more fluid than Bishop's does at this point.

The whole king of thieves is just one out of multiple reasons he chose not keep Gambit. You're holding on to that on bit because its the easiest to poke holes in. Do you even understand to begin with how the Shadow King takes control of people's bodies, its not as if Xavier simple stops that form happening. Its the same reason OML was taken by the Shadow King. GAMBIT GAVE INTO SHADOW KING'S REALITY. Thats why he was possessed, not because Xavier decided he didn't want him. You have to willfully make yourself not see the point here.

Yupp he just gave in it is just more useless Gambit he should be able to resist but doesn't he is in such a bad space at the moment. Now when he comes out of this he will have blood on his hands too. Do you think he will even try make amends to the families of the innocents he butchered. Soulle just killed a piece of the character with that.

[TheForbiddenOne]

Yupp he just gave in it is just more useless Gambit he should be able to resist but doesn't he is in such a bad space at the moment. Now when he comes out of this he will have blood on his hands too. Do you think he will even try make amends to the families of the innocents he butchered. Soulle just killed a piece of the character with that.

It sucks that he was mind controlled but that Gambit would give in to his love Role could not be more inline with the character. There is no shitty writing here. And like half of the x-men have killed people because of mind control, I think they've collectively learned to deal with it at this point.

[remydat]

The difference between them is irrelevant because the point is that neither of there powers lend themselves to fluid. While different Gabmit's kinetic powers make him no more fluid than Bishop's does at this point.

The whole king of thieves is just one out of multiple reasons he chose not keep Gambit. You're holding on to that on bit because its the easiest to poke holes in. Do you even understand to begin with how the Shadow King takes control of people's bodies, its not as if Xavier simple stops that form happening. Its the same reason OML was taken by the Shadow King. GAMBIT GAVE INTO SHADOW KING'S REALITY. Thats why he was possessed, not because Xavier decided he didn't want him. You have to willfully make yourself not see the point here.

This is simply incorrect per the cannon and basic physics.
Kinetic means motion so the energy in his body is constantly in motion and has no fixed shape. Something that has no fixed shape is by definition fluid. Kinetic energy by definition has to be fluid because it is constantly in motion. The fluid nature in Gambit's body is one of the reasons he has resistance because thoughts are the result of neurons and electrical impulses and telepaths struggle bypassing the kinetic energy coursing through him to get at his thoughts.

And no the KoT was the stated reason. You now want to add stuff that wasnt in the story to justify a dumb explanation. Quote the reasons found in the book?