The return of the Mighty Mighty New 52 Discussion thread

[Diamond]

I don't know, I don't fully understand this logic. I just read what I like, and ignore what I don't.

If DC isn't printing any books I like, I'll read stuff from other companies until they have something I like. I don't say "I'M DONE WITH THE DC CHARACTERS FOREVER!" That's silly.

You're assuming that people who read Big Two stuff are all open-minded readers.

[Dispenser Of Truth]

Me too. I'm glad you didn't say you were going to Marvel because they are both the same beast.

Eeehhh, only really in the one sense right now. Marvel's output is generally of a much greater quality than DC's is at the moment.

[AlexanderLuthor]

Eeehhh, only really in the one sense right now. Marvel's output is generally of a much greater quality than DC's is at the moment.

Uhhh no, not really. There is so much cross-pollination of talent between the two companies that it really can't be true. Soule writes 3 books for DC and 3 for Marvel. Bunn writes Magneto and Sinestro. Lemire and Azzarello are as good as anyone who writes for Marvel. Bendis is no better than Johns. Hickman is no better than Snyder. There are good books, mediocre books and bad books from all companies, including Image. And with regards to art - DC has a better stable of artists now as anytime I remember back to the 70's - Capullo, Manupal, Sorrentino, Nicola Scott, Ivan Reis, Jim Lee (when he actually puts out a book), Cliff Chiang, Jason Fabok, Mikel Janin and on and on. DC has had a bit of an artistic renaissance since the reboot. Just look at how good the weeklies have looked so far, and that's supposed to be their B talent. DC has had some bumps in the road to be sure - but as I said in another thread imho the quality is going up every month recently

[Flash Gordon]

Eeehhh, only really in the one sense right now. Marvel's output is generally of a much greater quality than DC's is at the moment.

Seconded.

I mean the sheer amount of quality books MARVEL has been releasing since the onset of MARVEL NOW, is crazy. DC is written by like three guys.

[Green Goblin of Sector 2814]

Seconded.

I mean the sheer amount of quality books MARVEL has been releasing since the onset of MARVEL NOW, is crazy. DC is written by like three guys.

Meh, DC seems to have found its footing in recent months. And I myself have found that the quality books at DC are just as good as anything put out by Marvel right now. The only thing is...Marvel seems to have more of them right now. The majority of DC's books at the moment follow more of a house-style, which is fine for some, but hampers others in that it leads to editorial micromanagement. When we look at it, its really the books that are able to be left alone that are the best. And that, you know, is just where Marvel was a few years ago. DC just needs to get its editorial under control.

[Joe Kalicki]

In my opinion, DC has at least twice as many good books as Marvel, and a far more varied and talented pool of creators.

In other news, I'm no longer buying store brand canned tuna. Spread the word.

[Dispenser Of Truth]

Uhhh no, not really. There is so much cross-pollination of talent between the two companies that it really can't be true.

Soule...and? Like, maybe Kindt and Filakov? I'm not remembering other names, they're certainly not the A-list talent from either company (other than arguably Soule). Even if true, that hardly prevents anything.

Lemire and Azzarello are as good as anyone who writes for Marvel.

Jason Aaron, Kieron Gillen, Jonathan Hickman, Matt Fraction and Warren Ellis might all have something to say about that. Then again, I don't think Azzarello is actually good, so I'm biased there.

There are good books, mediocre books and bad books from all companies, including Image. And with regards to art - DC has a better stable of artists now as anytime I remember back to the 70's - Capullo, Manupal, Sorrentino, Nicola Scott, Ivan Reis, Jim Lee (when he actually puts out a book), Cliff Chiang, Jason Fabok, Mikel Janin and on and on. DC has had a bit of an artistic renaissance since the reboot. Just look at how good the weeklies have looked so far, and that's supposed to be their B talent. DC has had some bumps in the road to be sure - but as I said in another thread imho the quality is going up every month recently

Other than Fabok (who's fine himself), those are all indeed quality names. But Marvel's got Jim Cheung, Dustin Weaver, Oliver Coipel, Jerome Opena, Alex Ross and John Cassady on covers recently, Daniel Acuna, Stuart Immonen, Steve McNiven, David Marquez, Sara Pichelli, Declan Shalvey, Lenil Yu, Chris Samnee, Javier Pulido, Esad Ribic, Adam Kubert, David Aja, Lee Garbett, Adrian Alphona, Annie Wu, Mike Allred...I'd say it balances out. And DC's got plenty of fair titles, a sample platter of good stuff (Batman, Action Comics, Superman Unchained) and a beating heart of unfiltered crap it's trying to get to as many customers as possible (Future's End, JL). Marvel's got some so-so and bad titles too, but it's got Daredevil, Loki, Moon Knight, Hawkeye, Hickman's Avengers, Uncanny Avengers, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Silver Surfer, Thor...

[Marvell2100]

Henry Cavill could easily have pulled off the classic Superman costume and still made it look compelling.

I haven't seen Man of Steel. Is that the Superman suit he was wearing in the movie? Yikes! He could have been Cyborg Superman.

[Blacksun]

Seconded.

I mean the sheer amount of quality books MARVEL has been releasing since the onset of MARVEL NOW, is crazy. DC is written by like three guys.

Agree. Marvel has a greater variety of creator and books. I'm reading more Marvel than this period last year, it was exactly 0 books. now it's 4 or 5 IDK lost the count

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/28597.html hummm

Jason Aaron, Kieron Gillen, Jonathan Hickman, Matt Fraction and Warren Ellis might all have something to say about that. Then again, I don't think Azzarello is actually good, so I'm biased there.

I think he has the same quality of these writers, and I love the work from these writers

[AlexanderLuthor]

Soule...and? Like, maybe Kindt and Filakov? I'm not remembering other names, they're certainly not the A-list talent from either company (other than arguably Soule). Even if true, that hardly prevents anything.



Jason Aaron, Kieron Gillen, Jonathan Hickman, Matt Fraction and Warren Ellis might all have something to say about that. Then again, I don't think Azzarello is actually good, so I'm biased there.



Other than Fabok (who's fine himself), those are all indeed quality names. But Marvel's got Jim Cheung, Dustin Weaver, Oliver Coipel, Jerome Opena, Alex Ross and John Cassady on covers recently, Daniel Acuna, Stuart Immonen, Steve McNiven, David Marquez, Sara Pichelli, Declan Shalvey, Lenil Yu, Chris Samnee, Javier Pulido, Esad Ribic, Adam Kubert, David Aja, Lee Garbett, Adrian Alphona, Annie Wu, Mike Allred...I'd say it balances out. And DC's got plenty of fair titles, a sample platter of good stuff (Batman, Action Comics, Superman Unchained) and a beating heart of unfiltered crap it's trying to get to as many customers as possible (Future's End, JL). Marvel's got some so-so and bad titles too, but it's got Daredevil, Loki, Moon Knight, Hawkeye, Hickman's Avengers, Uncanny Avengers, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Silver Surfer, Thor...

Pak and now Tynion and Higgins are starting to do stuff with Marvel, as well. I will agree that DC doesn't have anyone to match up with Warren Ellis and Mark Waid - and as we know those two are largely DCs fault. As for Hickman, based on popularity and critical acclaim on their indie stuff - Snyder matches up quite well. I see Johns as better than Bendis, but that's personal preference. I'm simply not a fan of Jason Aaron and think there is a reason Marvel hasn't made him exclusive. Gillen's YA had a great start, but really flattened after that. Fraction is not long for Marvel and will wrap Hawkeye soon.

I like all of the books you mentioned from Marvel, but think DC has a lot of underrated books to match them like Green Arrow, Swamp Thing, Red Lanterns, Earth 2, GL: New Guardians, GLC, potentially JLU and they have tried Dial H, Demon Knights, Infinity Man, and others.

To be fair Marvel might have a little better writing right now, but I get all of these books and DCs art is just superior now

[Lee Stone]

An interesting aside is that with classic Silver and Bronze age comics becoming relatively cheaper to come by digitally, the new (higher priced) DC and Marvel comics have some stiff competition. From themselves, even.

[PennyDreadful]

For me, it all comes down to the characters.

I gave the nuCoke DCU a shot--twice. The characters didn't feel like characters--more like copyright placeholders. In the past 18 months, I've purchased a grand total of two new 52 titles. I did try to get into the whatchamacallit DCU, but it seems utterly lacking in humor and heart. And that's sad.

[SteveGus]

For me, it all comes down to the characters.

I gave the nuCoke DCU a shot--twice. The characters didn't feel like characters--more like copyright placeholders. In the past 18 months, I've purchased a grand total of two new 52 titles. I did try to get into the whatchamacallit DCU, but it seems utterly lacking in humor and heart. And that's sad.

For me, it all comes down to the characters as well. In a less corrupt political system, Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and the Flash would have long since entered the public domain. I consider the DC heroes with their 70+ years of history to be a part of the cultural heritage of the United States. But the bleak and depressing world that DC has chosen to set them in shows mostly that they have been poor custodians of that cultural heritage.

As far as I can tell, DC's editorial, and most of the writers, don't seem to grasp what makes these heroes compelling, or what kept people interested in them all that time. The problem extends beyond the comic books, and goes as far as whoever greenlit the script for Man of Steel, to say nothing of Flashpoint Paradox and JL: War. This lack of humor and heart is indeed sad.

[andersonh1]

As far as I can tell, DC's editorial, and most of the writers, don't seem to grasp what makes these heroes compelling, or what kept people interested in them all that time. The problem extends beyond the comic books, and goes as far as whoever greenlit the script for Man of Steel, to say nothing of Flashpoint Paradox and JL: War. This lack of humor and heart is indeed sad.

This is so true. They don't have a clue who these characters are or what makes them work.

[FishboneX]

Nothing was inherently wrong to me at least. However, it does piss off prior fans by having the universe they loved get replaced overnight by a new one. I could live with the changes after COIE and I enjoyed the post-COIE universe greatly, but this new DCU doesn't interest me so I vote with my wallet and don't support it.

I would say most prior fans don't get pissed off, but instead are willing to read the new stories and see where they go. Perhaps you feel that way as a prior fan, but I would say a majority find it exciting.