Warner Bros/Joss Whedon/Ray Fisher Justice League

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Leaving Fisher out of it entirely, when has Johns been attached to a successful live-action anything? Great comic book writer, never should have tried to go Hollywood. That hasn’t worked out well for any of us.

I am beginning to question even that now, I never finished his GL run b/c it got boring, prefer Parker's run on AM, N52 JL run was a mess and was only good during FE when he wasn't writing heroes. N52 Superman run was well forgettable. And Three Jokers basically from what I read was a giant waste of time.

[mace11]

Leaving Fisher out of it entirely, when has Johns been attached to a successful live-action anything? Great comic book writer, never should have tried to go Hollywood. That hasn’t worked out well for any of us.

Here some info for Geoff Johns.

Film

Johns served as a co-producer and creative consultant for the 2011 Green Lantern film directed by Martin Campbell and starring Ryan Reynolds.

Johns was an executive producer on the 2016 film Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. Following negative critical reception to the film,

Johns and Jon Berg were named to jointly run the DC Extended Universe and a newly established Warner Bros. division, DC Films, in May 2016.
They served as producers on the 2017 film Justice League.

Johns also co-wrote the story for Aquaman with James Wan and Will Beall, co-wrote the story for Green Lantern Corps with David S.

Goyer and co-wrote Wonder Woman 1984 with Patty Jenkins and David Callaham. In January 2018, after Justice League underperformed at the box office, Jon Berg was replaced by Walter Hamada as the head of DC Films, with Johns still working "closely" with Hamada on future productions.

Television

"Recruit", a 2005 episode of the Superman prequel series Smallville, on which Johns' studio mate Jeph Loeb was a writer-producer, featured a villain by the name of Geoff Johns.

In 2008, Johns wrote "Legion", the eleventh episode of the eighth season, in which he introduced the three core members of the Legion of Super-Heroes.

At the 2009 San Diego Comic-Con, he announced that he was writing another Smallville episode, titled "Society," based on the Justice Society of America.
The success of his first episode and the ambitious nature of his follow-up episode enabled the producers to transform it into a two-part story, which subsequently aired as a feature-length episode titled "Absolute Justice".

Johns and David S. Goyer co-wrote the pilot for the Spike TV drama Blade, which premiered in June 2006. Johns served as one of the writing staff on the television show.

Later that year, Johns teamed up with Matthew Senreich of Robot Chicken fame to write the screenplay for a holiday family-friendly movie titled Naughty or Nice for Dimension Films. Johns and Senreich are billed as directors of the movie, with actor/producer Seth Green set to provide a lead voice as well as serving as voice director on the film. This association led to Johns contributing material to the fourth season of Robot Chicken.


In 2012, Johns joined The CW's Green Arrow origin series Arrow, as a writer. He first contributed to the first-season episode "Muse of Fire," which served as the introduction of The Huntress, the teleplay for which he co-wrote with executive producer Marc Guggenheim from a story by co-creator Andrew Kreisberg. Later in the season, Johns wrote the sixteenth episode, "Dead to Rights". The episode was directed by frequent Johns' collaborator Glen Winter.

On July 30, 2013, it was announced at the summer TCA tour that Johns and Arrow co-creators Kreisberg and Greg Berlanti would be introducing Barry Allen in the second season of the show, with the potential of a spin-off for the character with the 20th episode acting as a backdoor pilot. CW executives were so pleased with the handling of the character that they forwent the backdoor pilot, in favor of a full-fledged version.

In May 2014, The Flash was picked up to series, to premiere later that year. Johns serves as co-developer and executive producer. He co-wrote, with Kai Yu Wu, the episodes "Going Rogue", which introduces the villain Leonard Snart/Captain Cold to the series, and "Revenge of the Rogues", which brought the rogue Heat Wave to the series fully after being introduced off screen in "Going Rogue".

As of July 2015, Johns is collaborating with Reginald Hudlin and Denys Cowan on a live-action digital Static series from DC and Warner Bros. Blue Ribbon division.

Kreisberg, a producer on the TV series Supergirl, credits Johns with the idea that Hank Henshaw was really Martian Manhunter during production of that series' pilot in 2015.


In July 2018, Johns announced that he would be writing and executive-producing a DC Universe television series about Courtney Whitmore, a character that he created, titled Stargirl. The series premiered in May 2020.

In April 2020, it was reported that Johns is to produce a series based on Green Lantern for HBO Max.

[Customizer]

Yeah I don't think this really the takeaway, lol.

Not even remotely lol

[HsssH]

I am beginning to question even that now, I never finished his GL run b/c it got boring, prefer Parker's run on AM, N52 JL run was a mess and was only good during FE when he wasn't writing heroes. N52 Superman run was well forgettable. And Three Jokers basically from what I read was a giant waste of time.

I think his GL work till Sinestro Corps War was top notch, but after that it started going down bit by bit. For other runs that you mentioned I agree. Thou I never have really read his JSA that many people praise so maybe thats really good as well.

[mace11]

Geoff Johns is one of Executive producers for the Superman & Lois tv series.

He is also a Executive producer on these live action shows and movies too or one of them for dc and some others but i will only list the dc ones.

Doom Patrol
Titans
Suicide Squad
Wonder Woman
Aquaman
Birds of Prey

[mace11]

By the way check out this person's view.

In Defense of Geoff Johns | Ray Fisher Attacks Geoff Johns & Joss Whedon!
Nerdette's NewsStand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S89F_JfKXI

[Johnny]

I can pretty much see Fisher’s counter being that if he’s so proud of being Lebanese-American, why is Stargirl white?

She's modeled after his late sister and she looked even whiter than Johns. Of all the examples Ray could use, Stargirl isn't one of them. That's without even taking into account the horribly insensitive aspect of suggesting to change a character that Johns dedicated to a close relative that was tragically taken.

[Vordan]

Considering Snyder's take on Cyborg proved pretty popular among audiences, black viewers included, I'd say Fisher had a better understanding of what black fans wanted out of Cyborg than Johns. Especially since being an angry black man was never the main source of contention when it came to Cyborg even being on the Justice League.

Sure now we know that. But in the moment Snyder was coming off takes on some of DC’s most popular characters, Superman, Batman, Lex, etc, that were not very popular. There was very little reason to trust that JL would be any different. And the “Snyder Cut” is NOT what we would’ve seen in theaters at the time. WB would never have approved a 4 hour R rated movie, so would Cyborg’s reception have been the same back then? I doubt it, stuff would’ve had to been cut. That said Fisher was black and Johns wasn’t so there should’ve been a better attempt to address the grievances he had about the portrayal of the character.

Leaving Fisher out of it entirely, when has Johns been attached to a successful live-action anything? Great comic book writer, never should have tried to go Hollywood. That hasn’t worked out well for any of us.

Smallville, the Arrowverse, Stargirl, Doom Patrol, Titans, and Aquaman. You may not have liked those but they have been successful. And he came to comic books through Hollywood, he got a job as Donner’s assistant and segwayed into comics from there.

[lefthanded]

Sure now we know that. But in the moment Snyder was coming off takes on some of DC’s most popular characters, Superman, Batman, Lex, etc, that were not very popular. There was very little reason to trust that JL would be any different. And the “Snyder Cut” is NOT what we would’ve seen in theaters at the time. WB would never have approved a 4 hour R rated movie, so would Cyborg’s reception have been the same back then? I doubt it, stuff would’ve had to been cut. That said Fisher was black and Johns wasn’t so there should’ve been a better attempt to address the grievances he had about the portrayal of the character.

Smallville, the Arrowverse, Stargirl, and Aquaman. And he came to comic books through Hollywood, he got a job as Donner’s assistant and segwayed into comics from there.

Are people responding to Fisher's performance, or just the fact that the character of Cyborg is more fleshed out?
I personally found Fisher's Cyborg in the restored Snyder cut to still not be very memorable. The character of Cyborg had a better story, but the actor made no impact on me. You could replace him with any actor and it wouldn't be any worst (Kind of like Jeremy Renner in the Hawkeye role). As such, the level of his acting is not going to do anything for his reputation in Hollywood going forward. It's not like he's Daniel Day Lewis giving you method acting craziness, but the end product is magnetic.

Johns the producer: Geoff Johns seems to be a mediocre producer - he hasn't produced anything sustainable nor overwhelmingly successful. Almost anyone would pale in comparison to Kevin Feige, but even if you compare him to other producers, he has had more failures/mediocrity than successes. That is something he should be fired/laid off for, but not because of the racism angle that Fisher is saying. People who dislike Johns' movie work seem all to eager to use the microaggressions as the reason he should be fired, when they are in fact unrelated.

As a side comment on the Lebanese angle - although it is not an actual defense proving you're not racist, it's also not proof that you are racist. People who don't have to deal with racism on the regular don't bring up their ethnicity outside of cultural things (Eg. Celebrating such and such holiday, or eating this type of food, etc). So the fact that he hasn't really mentioned being Lebanese regularly until now, when the topic of racism is being lobbed at him, isn't something he should be attacked for specifically.

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By the way check out this person's view.

In Defense of Geoff Johns | Ray Fisher Attacks Geoff Johns & Joss Whedon!
Nerdette's NewsStand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S89F_JfKXI

Looking at their other videos, I don't believe this is going to change anyone's mind.

[Frontier]

I am beginning to question even that now, I never finished his GL run b/c it got boring, prefer Parker's run on AM, N52 JL run was a mess and was only good during FE when he wasn't writing heroes. N52 Superman run was well forgettable. And Three Jokers basically from what I read was a giant waste of time.

Johns' Aquaman and GL is still really popular though. Along with his Flash run.

Johns the producer: Geoff Johns seems to be a mediocre producer - he hasn't produced anything sustainable nor overwhelmingly successful. Almost anyone would pale in comparison to Kevin Feige, but even if you compare him to other producers, he has had more failures/mediocrity than successes. That is something he should be fired/laid off for, but not because of the racism angle that Fisher is saying. People who dislike Johns' movie work seem all to eager to use the microaggressions as the reason he should be fired, when they are in fact unrelated.

He's produced several DC TV shows that have made it past their first season and wasn't he a producer on Aquaman and Wonder Woman? I might be mis-remembering if he was credited as producer on one and not the other.

[skyvolt2000]

While I can empathize with some of the pressures that Ray was under and the difficulties of being the only black person in a professional space, I'm not sure if I appreciate him making himself the de-factor voice of the black community. He basically took the position of, "Well there's no other black people in the room, so I guess I gotta represent." Again, I get that as a response in the moment but then more of his campaign should have been about diversifying who gets to play a role in these huge productions. Instead it's all been about personal vendettas against the non-black people who have wronged him.

Thank you for saying that.

That is the same issue I have with that Krypton writer. Where are all these shows with black women constantly changing hairstyles? If we were talking a show taking place over a long period of time-sure. But if that gets you mad-you might not need to be there. Because that is not a universal thing that every black woman does.

Because all this is sounding like a personal vendetta and I bet if we **********they were the only black folks on those projects. Like the black girl on Riverdale yelling about pay-a bunch of black folks with POWER work on that show. Including the writer who trashed Chuck Clayton.

I mean I get what you’re saying, the obviously impartial article writer made sure to say “he wanted to be identified as Lebanese American” to make it sound untrustworthy so of course it sounds untrustworthy to you. I’m sure that framing was completely innocent

If the writer was impartial-they would have just referred to Johns as that and NOT mention his need to be fired PR team.

It's just FUNNY for Simon and Jessica and this-it gets MENTIONED. Yet when he was getting called out for John Stewart-nobody bought that up.

Thou I never have really read his JSA that many people praise so maybe thats really good as well.

If you look at how Michael Holt and to a lesser point Jakeem were done in that book versus Cyborg it's night and day. However JSA is not at the level of JLA. It's a whole different set of cooks in the kitchen.

If Holt was in JLA instead of Cyborg-we are NOT having this conversation.

Jakeem??? He started out as the angry cussing black boy that changed over the run.

[BatmanJones]

I am beginning to question even that now, I never finished his GL run b/c it got boring, prefer Parker's run on AM, N52 JL run was a mess and was only good during FE when he wasn't writing heroes. N52 Superman run was well forgettable. And Three Jokers basically from what I read was a giant waste of time.

I was trying to be somewhat charitable and I did love his earlier work in a popcorn movie sort of way (GL, JSA, and especially Flash), but I agree he's not aged well. He's not in Marv Wolfman or Paul Levitz or James Robinson territory yet (comic book writing long since passed those guys by) but his later stuff hasn't been so good.

Waiting for Three Jokers for three years or whatever it was made the disappointment of that series greater than it might have been otherwise. Ditto for D-Clock, which had such a strong start. And I am baffled by those that enjoyed the Stargirl section of the Infinite Frontier special. It felt like a slightly more fleshed out "Who's Who" entry to me than anything else.

But relative to his TV/movie stuff he's the greatest comic book writer ever.

[BatmanJones]

Here some info for Geoff Johns.

Film

Television

Wow, that was hard to read. So Johns and Berlanti ruin GL so badly that they set the franchise back by 10-15 years, to the degree that GL isn't even a founding member of JL anymore. Then HBO Max decides to give it another try and they go with.... Johns and Berlanti. Good call, HBO Max. Let's ruin GL for another 10+ years.

[CosmiComic]

Wow, that was hard to read. So Johns and Berlanti ruin GL so badly that they set the franchise back by 10-15 years, to the degree that GL isn't even a founding member of JL anymore. Then HBO Max decides to give it another try and they go with.... Johns and Berlanti. Good call, HBO Max. Let's ruin GL for another 10+ years.

If at first you fail, do the same thing again apparently.