This is another, boy do I agree with this post. We certainly don't agree with Morrison's take on JOTT, but this, absolutely. Although I have never, what is it, block someone? You don't see anything they post. I just skip the post when I see the name. Forget engage them, I don' even read it. We are just too far apart in our views.
Yup. Yeah I hated how weak Jean was in that series but yes the jott scenes were great
Lets back up a bit, I didn't make any implications about what you were saying, only stating where I was coming from. And I'm not trying to change your opinion or assert my own as fact or anything of the sort. No need for us to allow our discussion to devolve into an argument; I hope I haven't done anything that made it seem like that's what I was trying to do.
I agree with pretty much everything you've said here, but we don't have to discuss where we disagree if you don't want to.
Does it need doing?
Yes.
Then it will be done.
It’s funny… I’m very rusty too. But sculpting and moving the 3D models around has given me a better idea of what things should look like in 2D.
By the way, I saw some of your sketches some time ago. I like them! They would look really cool with “inks” and colours. :)
And you still came to the forums to reply to this? You could have skipped it and go do something to unwind. Please, next time, do that. Discussing comics should be fun. Not an obligation.
That being said, I know what’s like when you have to keep acting like a mediator. It’s really draining. So thank you. I really appreciate you replied even after a tough day. :)
I hope today is/was a better day at work.
People may like it and we should respect that. But their enjoyment doesn’t make it more realistic and they should respect it bothers other people.
Yeah. Especially when people can’t focus on one part of the discussion and they keep bringing stuff like alternate universe, personal views, other characters, whataboutisms…
It’s so difficult…
I had to give up on the printed form of books and comic books. It’s all digital now, when available. I prefer the prints, because I love the feeling of the paper and flipping the pages and even the smell. I also like to be able to look at the whole page at once without having to “zoom out”. But it’s a matter of space, unfortunately.
I would keep it in the order you had determined before. You might not like it that much. It’s not the most intricate plot. It’s just masterfully executed. But it’s possible it won’t even stand out to you and then it will just be an okay-ish story.
Yeah! That’s funny. :D
If you could manage to do it, though, it’d fix the pandemic. I’ll help. You can keep the Nobel Prize. :)
Well, since he's a mutant, you can always say that everything else is compensated somehow in terms of function. But it would still be a problem if a doctor had to operate him as an emergency and his organs were in completely different positions and his tissues had different tensile strength.
Always being successful is overrated anyway. Sometimes, great things come from failures. :)
I don’t think he was trying to play it cool. I think at first he was genuinely happy to see her, but then he looked in those eyes and he was overwhelmed. He had to look away immediately because he was a shy, awkward teen. But he looked away too fast and he lost his balance. And, to make things worse, the only reason he didn’t land on his behind was because she caught him with her tk. :D
Poor guy. Stuff of nightmares for that to happen in front of the girl you have a crush on, right? :D
But Jean didn’t think he was embarrassing. She thought he was cute (it’s what she says in the next page).
And you’re right: she wasn’t looking for the cool guy. There was a cool guy very interested in her and she didn’t fall for him. There is an issue where she thinks that Warren is a really great guy, but it’s Scott that she likes. And she thought it wasn’t mutual. Poor, silly girl. :)
Oh, my beloved thought bubbles! I was glad to see some of them in the last issue of New Mutants! I hope they’re coming back! :)
Oh… okay. It didn’t click. Never mind. :D
Me too.
I don’t think I’d be able to write an ongoing book anyway. I’m not fast enough. But even if I was, it would be one book. As editor, you can help improving the quality of all of them.
Sometimes when you write, things don’t come across the way you intended and it takes a long time for you to go back to the text and see it. Not to mention small (and big) plot holes. That’s why it really helps to have someone reading your story with fresh eyes and discernment.
I don’t want to judge because I don’t know if the editors at Marvel have time to really read the scripts. So maybe it’s not their fault, but be as it may, the editing could be much better.
I think Gold was supposed to be the flagship, but it was… meh at best. Though, to be fair, I’m biased here because I didn’t read everything.
I like Red. I have some serious criticism about the vagueness of the concepts and I agree Jean needed a bit more of a temper. But, for me, there are more things to like than dislike. And though I don’t like the extreme in which Jean is determined but too sweet; I prefer that to edgy but push-over (looking at you, X-Force). Any day.
I’m cool with either the pirate or the knight. :D
You mean the whole thing with Madelyne? Oh, that’s another thing that people have made their minds about and you can show them the panels and they’ll still refuse to see it and, at the very least, cut him some slack. No. He’ll always be scum for them.
I wonder if they would like if people treated them like that: you made a serious mistake, no matter the your state of mind? You’re horrible and you’re doomed forever. No redemption for you.
Of course Scott isn’t his worst decisions. He just happens to be a hero. Anti-heroes can get away with anything. Heroes get condemned forever.
They’re boring if they’re perfect. They’re horrible people when they make mistakes or don’t act in the most perfect way possible.
No sarcasm intended here. I am at a complete loss here. I reread my post. Where did I refer to implications you made about what I said? The only direct reference I made to what you said was the word victim and I don't think I'd use that word.
The rest was just my overall view of what happened. Not rebutting you specifically. In general, this is my take on what happened , Scott's culpability and behavior as well as Emma's. Was the problem, this is my take,my opinion on it, and it's not going to change? That is not meant in a hostile or antagonistic way. More like factual. That said, I use the word opinion. Scott's degree of guilt is not a fact, it's an individual take, view, opinion.
I don't think you've tried to position your view on things as absolutely factual. I don't think you have tried to change my opinion More like express yours, where you disagree and why. We haven't entirely agreed, but it's been cordial in my mind.
Masochistic sure isn't referring to dealing with you, or anyone specifically for that matter. More like the situation in general. If I were stlll reading the books, heavily invested, maybe. Although it's still the same argument for the 1000th time. But I suppose that could be said for a bunch of topics on any message forum I have frequented.
Again, I reread my last post. Perhaps I worded it poorly. My intent was not an attack on you. Mind you, it wasn't with grinning soul either, but I attacked their take more aggressively. They had more really specific takes that I really disagreed with. Of course, how you choose to proceed is up to you. I have no issues continuing to converse with you. You have certainly not said anything that I took offense with. Perhaps disagreed, like with the word victim, but I said my piece and why I feel that way. Again, stating that I don't think my opinion will ever change is not meant in a hostile, confrontational manner. More like realistic
One last thing. Might not seem it just reading this thread. If I had a nickel for every time I defended Scott or Jean since I discovered X book forums, 1997, I believe, I'd have a whole lot of nickels. Every time I defended Scott regarding Colleen, and this imagined romance some think they had, Lee, Betsy or quasi defended his Maddie behavior. It was bad enough without accusing him of things he simply didn't do.
These were my 2 favorite X Men, always. That means as individuals as well. There, I would have given Scott a very slight edge. I would much prefer to defend them. That doesn't mean turning a blind eye. And in my view of the story, no way am I giving Scott any sort of pass for that affair. Just as I'm not going to solely blame Logan for all the kisses when I didn't see it that way. Mind you, they are worlds apart in that didn't damage Jean irreparably for me.
Okay, it seems that I was the one who misunderstood - I thought when you said you hadn't "called him a cheating sleazebag" that maybe I had implied you had or something. And yeah, I thought the comment about masochism was referring to the conversation in general not the topic in particular. I'm glad that's not the case, thanks for clearing that up.
We do agree generally, but disagree on degree it seems, and that's okay. I'll give you that victim might not be the best word, although I can't think of a better one. I'm not trying to give Scott a pass, maybe I didn't word my argument correctly; he's definitely not blameless, what he did was wrong and I've never said otherwise.
Really, if this topic isn't up your alley, we can just talk about Jott in general, no hard feelings.
Does it need doing?
Yes.
Then it will be done.
I ink a little, I have brush pens and I even used to have a nib pen and ink set - what I never do is color, it's very intimidating. I didn't do anything for months, I had overtime at work and trade-school, but I had a project given to me by SpiderClops - basically a version of Scott that can metabolize his powers to give himself an overall strength and durability boost that manifests as an aura. I can't decide how best to express that, although I'm beginning to settle on using some Kirby crackle.
Today was a good day, very easy work.
Oh, and don't worry, this forum isn't an obligation for me at all, I enjoy logging in even if it's to debate. Trust me, if I do have a day bad enough to keep me from here, I'll take a break.
I couldn't agree more. I can't help but think that part of it could be that when I criticize a book, someone could take that as an attack on their personal taste, which of course is never my intention.
Then everyone gets entrenched and the conversation goes nowhere. Yep.
Oh, my dream home would include a library. And if I can't get the size I'd need, I'll be lining all of my walls with shelves.
I don't hate digital comics, but just like you said, I need to feel the paper, and hardcovers are just so attractive to me.
I don't usually plan out much further than a book or two, and I know you won't take it personally if I find a book I'd like to read ahead of it. It's been recommended to me before, which was partly motivating me.
Well, we need a reverse-psychology guerilla marketing campaign I think.
Oh, that's another good one - doctors for mutantkind. I mean, there's gotta be a wide diversity of physiology.
Yeah, learning happens most through failure. At least, that's what I tell my bosses,
Classic not-actually-unrequited feelings. I think most guys can viscerally relate to that situation, I know I can.
Huh, I guess I missed something.
Yeah, I don't think I could do an ongoing book. I think I have a few ideas that could translate to a few mini or maxi-series, or graphic novels. Back in high school, a few friends and I put together some crude amateur comics, it was fun. Unfortunately I've lost any copies I had.
I guess more than anything I was left disappointed with the book. Scott and Jean have been wasted since their respective returns, as far as I'm concerned.
I'll take that green monstrosity - ha, what even is that?
The endless clickbait articles listing why so-and-so character is the worst are also unhelpful.
Boy, I couldn't agree more with your last two points.
Does it need doing?
Yes.
Then it will be done.
Inking and colouring by hand? Oh no, Hizashi, I wouldn’t suggest you went on full Alex Ross! :D
I was thinking about doing both digitally. :)
The first suggestion that came to my mind was to just have a thin red layer around his body. But when I think about his power, I probably wouldn’t be nice and controlled, would it? So maybe a larger layer that fades to transparency and some perpendicular lines to show the layer is actually made of tiny lines?
Either that or some solar corona shapes similar to the All-New crazy rounded patterns?
But, you know, emitting from different angles and other parts of his body as well.
And if it doesn’t have to be an aura, it could really emit from his eyes and bounce back to his body? Why couldn't he re-absorb his own power?
Well, I’m a worrier. But I’ll try to tell myself not to be when it comes to that. :)
It is exactly what happens. At least, part of it.
Have you ever taken a Myers-Briggs Type Indicator test?
My dream home would have enough space for big molossoid dogs. Plural. One is not enough. And some beagles to drive me crazy. :D
But yeah, a library would be really cool too.
I don’t hate digital comics, but I don’t like them either except for the fact they don’t occupy space and I don’t have to dust them (or the shelf where they are). I never had a hardcover comic, but I do love hardcover books. They stand so well, so I’m can look at them and be happy they’re there even when I’m not reading them. :)
No, I wouldn’t take it personally at all. Also because, I don’t know about you, but I think we have to read the right book for the right time.
Reading novels for me is never a passive thing. It’s not just entertainment. It’s an experience. And, as such, it’s possible that it is not a good time to engage in certain type of story or you might just really be in a mood for something else.
So, yeah: no need to hurry. You’ll know when it’s time to read it. :)
Mmm… That’s an idea. Those people certainly don’t respond to logic or facts. At the same time, they’re already engaging in the opposite behaviour that we want them to engage… They might just take it as encouragement! :D
We’d have to taunt them, I guess: “I don’t expect you to wear a mask, sir/ma’am, because I don’t think you could do it. They’re uncomfortable. You need to be tough.”
Yep. Which is why the body farm in X-Factor made some sense.
Several people put it in different ways, but my favourite version is this one: “a wise person learns from the mistakes of the others, an intelligent from their own mistakes and a fool doesn’t learn”. So, yeah, there’s that.
But there’s also the happy accidents. Think of penicillin. :)
Now, here’s a more intriguing thought: when you petri dishes get fungi, are you paying attention to see if that could actually be a good thing? :)
I try to look pass the frustration of failure and see if I can find my penicilin in there.
And isn’t it cute? Men are cute. :)
I’ll tell you in private, if you’re curious.
Oh… that’s a shame… :(
I’d love to do something like that nowadays, as a nerd-adult. But who would even have the time?
I couldn’t agree more with you. In so many ways, really. Even their powers have been used poorly. The fight in X-Men#17 still hurts my soul.
Now, I’m hoping - and I know it’s futile - that this X-Men team will become something more than this weird premise that doesn’t make sense. Don’t get mew wrong: I’m all for super heroics. But you have effing Scott Summers and Jean Grey in the same team. In different ways, those two are leaders amongst mutants. Their minds should be somewhere in their 40s. It’s time they stopped following Xavier and Magneto and made their own paths, enact their own dreams.
Please, Marvel, please. They are perfect for it. It would be so epic.
We’ll call it Gator-Thing (or Gator-Raid, if you prefer :P). And my knight will be called Bucket-Master. :D
More than clickbait, they’re food for echo chambers. I’m too tired to go against that.
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Definitely. Although I got to say, Scott must have taken a different CPR class from me. Usually we check the pulse for 10 seconds as well. Either that or he's a visual kind of guy and really needed to know she was breathing.
It all certainly caught him off guard when she moved, to say the least.
Yep, nothing unordinary happening there.
To be honest though, looking for a chest rise and fall is an actual thing. So...perfect explanation it is!
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"This is starting to sound like a bad comic book plot"
-Spider-man
“Evil is evil...lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same."
-Geralt of Rivia
I've tried drawing digitally and I haven't found a comfortable setup, I might just prefer physical mediums.
I like your idea though, sounds like a feedback loop.
I'd say I'm a low-level worrier; my mom however is a master-worrywart, she's on another level.
Yep, I see it all the time.
Nope, is that the one with the four letters like INFP or something?
My brother has a young husky and she never leaves me alone, she's really affectionate with (relative) strangers.
I could spend days in a library. I'd have a coffee/tea setup in my own as well, and couches. I don't hate softcovers, but hardcovers are just more durable and tactile for me.
Reading is definitely an experience, I wish more people read in general - books and comic books, I think they're all great.
It's definitely a complicated issue though. Besides that attitude, there's definitely some genuine hesitancy and distrust, and what can be done about that?
Body farms, to test out medical information? Do they use cloned bodies?
I think most people have a tough time not letting their frustration at failure blind them to opportunity, and I'm among them.
I used to think that I was pretty bone-headed but my roommate makes me look emotionally-enlightened; I've seen women practically blaring their interest in him in neon signs and he's just oblivious. Of course, maybe I can just notice it in others and men generally can't help themselves? This warrants further research.
Sure, I'm curious.
I barely find the time to draw, posting on here takes no time at all.
It's time for the New Adventures of Cyclops and Marvel Woman.
Honestly, I really wish they would offer a different view from Krakoa, not in direct opposition but because this hegemony is boring.
Gator-Raid is perfect, and Bucket-Master? They'll never suspect a thing.
Yeah, nothing for it but to ignore it.
Does it need doing?
Yes.
Then it will be done.