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(3) was not debunkedl, simply because Carbonell is not a name. It is, a surname. Surnames are, indicators of ethnicity or race. The character's name is Maria. Her surname is Carbonell.
In addition, Catalonia, although an autonomous territory, is part of Spain. It is not like, for example, Monaco, which is a completely independent country within French territory. Catalonia has a separatist movement. How can a people want to separate themselves from a country they are not a part of? When Catalans voted in 2017 a referendum declaring them independent, that referendum was declared illegal by the Spanish government and the main Catalan political leaders were arrested for sedition and rebellion. How could the government of Spain do this, in a territory over which they have no jurisdiction? The answer to these two questions is the same. Catalonia is part of Spain and is subject to the laws of that country.
Even if we consider purely, the ethnic aspect, as I noted earlier, from the point of view of white people born in the United States of America, any person born or descended from those born in the Iberian peninsula is a latino. No matter if you are ethnically Spanish or if you have Spanish as your national language.
Take my case for example, I'm Brazilian and here in Brazil, we don't speak Spanish but Portuguese. That's because Brazil was colonized by Portugal and not by Spain. But still, I was considered a latina in the years I lived in the United States. Thus, from the point of view of the North Americans, even if Catalonia was a country totally independent from Spain, it is located, as well as Portugal, in the Iberian peninsula, making them then, Latinos as well.
Strangely, Italians are not labeled in this way, even though the term “latino” itself, originates from the Latin language and culture, which in turn, originated in the city of Rome, which is, since 1871, the capital of Italy. Go figure.
By the way, your breakdown of my points is a very good one. And, I'm not being sarcastic in saying that. It is, indeed, an excellent summary of the problem I have, with the subject at hand. Even if we fundamentally disagree on our points of view, it does not mean that we cannot discuss them in a didactic and civilized way, which is what I believe we are doing here.
And, even if everything I described above doesn't convince you, and we end up just having to agree to disagree, then, so be it. It’s okay by me.
Thought this thread was gonna be about Falcon being a pimp lol.
Carbonell doesn't me she started out with that as her maiden name or her mother's maiden name. It could be a name change. She could have had a first husband. She could have just liked the name.
Also surnames are not always indicators of race. It can be just a legal chosen name or a kept name from a previous marriage or what have you.
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Exactly. Give him a half brother but I hate the „long lost sibling“ trope so idk
This is not true!! It’s not just „you were adopted“. When people find out Tony Stark is adopted and ask „how, when and why“ u just can’t explain it and when you do;- it makes no sense.
I mean you’re right but these are exceptions. I don’t think Howard would’ve allowed Maria to keep her ex’s last name. I do think Carbonell is her maiden name but yes it does not indicate her ethnicity.
Yikes, my grammar has gone to ****. Rip
Your argument hinges completely on the assumption that a surname does not change hands between races and ethnic groups the same way given names have. They certainly do. Take the name Abraham as an example. Putting aside the given name status, it exists as a surname in all of Western Europe and even India. This is true in Kerala where St. Thomas, according to Church tradition, brought Christianity to India. You would be surprised at the amount of Indians with Abraham as a surname.
If they did not change ethnic hands, then this conversation wouldn't be happening.
I ask you this. Is Maria Carbonell Stark not a Filipino? After all, thousands of them bear the surname Carbonell thanks to Spanish colonization. How can you prove to me who has decided a priori that she must be Filipino because she bears that surname.
The reason why so many Americans believe that Spanish and Portuguese = hispanic and/or latino is a matter of geography.
Americans are exposed more to Latin America than they are to Spain. The Spanish taught in our classrooms is Latin Spanish, mostly derived from Mexican Spanish because even then there are small variances in accents and words. The Spanish politics that come up in the insane ramblings of our politicians deal with Latin America. Our history books are wrought with the Mexican-American War and the Panama Canal. Same thing with Portugal. Most Portuguese people Americans deal with are speaking Brazilian Portuguese rather than the European Portuguese. Our politics deal with Brazil more than Portugal. If you asked Americans to name a Portuguese speaking politician, you will probably expect Jair Bolsonaro rather than Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa.
An untrained ear cannot exactly determine accents well. If I had played two recordings of Taiwanese Mandarin and Mainland Mandarin, I doubt you can tell the difference between them and assume both are from Mainland despite sounding different.
It would be inaccurate to call a Spaniard anything other than white, but it happens. It's why French and Italian people are not called latinos despite speaking romance languages. You don't hear many French speaking people in the USA outside of expats from Quebec or Italian speakers outside of small places in the USA.
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