HOUSE OF X [05] : Society *Spoilers*

[starduck]

Goldballs is now everyone's mother

Goldballs the All-Mother

[stormphoenix]

Goldballs is now everyone's mother

LOL pretty much. That's IF you die.

[cranger]

I think thats why they are going out of their way to say that. Every case of duplicates we have seen with mutants there has been identity problems. Cable/Strife Jean/Maddie perhaps is that battle of the original soul or it's splitting that makes them unstable. Jean did reabsorb part of her essence from Maddie implying that it was split because a "duplicate" well in Maddie's case a clone, exists.

Interesting. While I thought the explanation for Maddie and Jean was the fragment of the Phoenix Force that found it's way to Maddie thinking it was Jean combined with the original idea that Jean and the PF were forever connected, that whole plot has certainly gone through enough revisions to support such an interpretation.

[starduck]

Who's the daddy, Hope or Elixir?

[Desmark]

Actuallly without Xavier or another telepath. A gun can't shoot itself and cerebro can't do much on it's own either. So it's basically a tool.

Yes but ultimately it's the final step and a crucial tool so without it they will be screwed even if Xavier was still there. Thus it's ironical that a machine is animating the eggs and filling them with the essence that makes them who they are. It reminds me of the multivac computer from the Isaac Asimov stories which solved the ultimate riddle but didn't have any audience to share the discovery with mankind having perished so it declares let there be light and restarts the universe.

[The Thunderbird]

Who's the daddy, Hope or Elixir?

That would be Proteus.

[jwatson]

Interesting. While I thought the explanation for Maddie and Jean was the fragment of the Phoenix Force that found it's way to Maddie thinking it was Jean combined with the original idea that Jean and the PF were forever connected, that whole plot has certainly gone through enough revisions to support such an interpretation.

History of the marvel universe 3 also states The Phoenix created a spoilers:

duplicate

end of spoilers of Jean. Which can also connect to why you had Phoenix for all intents and purposes seemed like Jean but was able to do what Dark Phoenix did. Could also explain why her original body didn't react until her consciousness left the phoenix duplicate.

[jwatson]

Yes but ultimately it's the final step and a crucial tool so without it they will be screwed even if Xavier was still there. Thus it's ironical that a machine is animating the eggs and filling them with the essence that makes them who they are. It reminds me of the multivac computer from the Isaac Asimov stories which solved the ultimate riddle but didn't have any audience to share the discovery with mankind having perished so it declares let there be light and restarts the universe.

Not really, he is storing the stuff other places around the world, their memory. Jean has moved her own consciousness without the aid of cerebro so while it makes it easier i don't think it's needed. It's more like a sperm bank.

[Tycon]

Proteus, Elixir, and Hope are the All-Fathers

[People Of The Earth]

It's the mess politics. Mutants are setting up their own world to live in peace, and sadly with a reversely new climate change, things do get messy. IN order to abolish slavery, plenty of people got killed fighting that battle. All people who had family & friends. But sadly that's what things had come to in terms of liberating the oppressed.

Unfortunately when it comes to prejudiced, things will get messier before they improve. If they ever really do. Humans have been killing mutants & hating on them for ages by lumping ALL of them in with the bad eggs.


But humans are not accommodating or trying to make things easier, now mutants are going to play a more ruthless game with a forced hand. NOW they are still flawed. We can see what appear to be cracks in the way they handle things, but they don't seem like the villains here.



I agree with Jianna, a youtube reviewer on that. That's Magneto talking and his stance. But he does not speak for everyone. All mutants do not feel that way. SOME do. Mystique is another one of them. BUT Hickman has outright stated that Magneto is a villain & Xavier is a hero. So there will be an inevitable clash somewhere with that. Chances are, Magneto will take things too far & be met with some push-back.

Fair enough. I'll be reassured to see different ideologies manifest themselves actually down the line, because right now Krakoa seems more like a theocracy than a democracy to me, and there's no way that will make for an healthy, sustainable society without serious issues in its trail. Too many ways for things to spiral into abuse of power... They are figuring themselves out, yes, once the dust is settled we'll see what direction they'll try to go forward.
I hope it won't be in a kind of bloody revolution where crushing bystanders is fair game, because that's not what the X-Men are supposed to stand for. That's not what even themselves should view themselves as. Call me naive, but they are supposed to be better than that.

So like I didn't actually disagree with you merely pointing out that both the humans and mutants consider themselves separate and that those self imposed definitions are more important to then the technicality of there similar DNA as evidence by them creating their own language/culture separate from humans.

Mea culpa, I didn't understand your initial remark that way. I wonder then why people like Beast don't point that out whenever someone in-universe feed this convention. He's usually on top of this kind of things actually.

[Havok83]

It's ironic that ultimately the resurrections all depend on cerebro a soulless machine as without it they will remain only empty husks.Lol

Cerebro is only used to transfer their memories into the bodies. They can be animated without having those memories, though they obviously wouldnt be the same characters if that happened

[stillanerd]

Okay, I think anyone who was really paying attention and closely reading House of X and Powers of X pretty much figured out what the big twist that was being set up. Maybe not exact details, but definitely the general idea. Nevertheless, what Jonathan Hickman has done with the X-Men in this issue will, no doubt be talked and debated about for years. Because, as I talk about in my review, not only is House of X #5 the most controversial X-Men comic this year (it does involve spoilers:

cloning

end of spoilers after all) it's likely the best X-Men comic this year. Yes, even surpassing House of X #2, which was also fantastic.

Stillanerd Reads: House of X #5

[CyberCoyote]

Wow, my LCS had a delayed delivery, I got my copy 24 hours late and this thread is already 80 pages deep and too thick to decipher!

[Mutant X]

So many pages, I don't know if it was mentioned before, but any guess of the reason Proteus is hosting only Xavier husks?

[jwatson]

So many pages, I don't know if it was mentioned before, but any guess of the reason Proteus is hosting only Xavier husks?

Only reasons i can think is either Xavier is his real father or because of who Legion is and his powers Xavier has the best genetic makeup for his x-gene and consciousness.