Doomguy vs Master Chief

[LoreKeeper]

I read them which did I break?

[Guy1]

No worries man, I'm just joshing you.

I also have played like two Halo games ever like over a decade ago and I haven't played any of modern Doom.

However, the write up you've done on the previous page seems exceptionally generous in its estimations of the Doom Guy. Like, take your claims of the Marauder having lightspeed reaction times. Let's look at the game and character in question:



I see nothing in this clip that indicates anything close to lightspeed reaction time. Barely anything above peak human to be honest.

What's your basis for claiming the Doom Guy or anyone in the Doom franchise having reactions on that level?

Yeah, I'm not seeing anything remotely close to Lighspeed here. Or even high mach for that matter.

[Guy1]

I read them which did I break?

How shouldn't I debate?
"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.
Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it.

Furthermore, some of the posts portrayed what could be believed as a bit of a bias opinion.

We generally go by displayed feats here, not what some lore stuff says. Just because someone is supposedly unbeatable in their own world, something that isn't even true here anyway, doesn't mean they are unbeatable by other characters.

[LoreKeeper]

Kratos can get killed by random.mooks in his game but even his creators confirm that you wouldnt want to play a game were you always win as there is no challenge

So to make it interesting They allow a otherwise immortal character to take dmg and die

[Guy1]

Which is generally why we go by cutscene feats if they have them so long as they are high end and consistent with the characters displayed abilities.

[Guy1]

Anyway. I have to head out. Lets keep it civil everyone.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Kratos can get killed by random.mooks in his game but even his creators confirm that you wouldnt want to play a game were you always win as there is no challenge

So to make it interesting They allow a otherwise immortal character to take dmg and die

Because of that reason, gameplay rarely comes into consideration for debates here.

For game characters we typically use feats from cut scenes, or QTEs would probably work well for Kratos too. Even then we have to compare them to other feats performed by the character.

[LoreKeeper]

Cutacene feat in doom eternal His crucible renders unkillable / immortal foes Usless once the blade is broken off into the opponent. Then we have BY CUTSCEEN PROOF the slayer jumping into extra dimensional enery riding it into heaven And thr energy he jumped into rips anything that touches it apart


Then we see him after killing the kahn maykr ((who is omnipotent by cutscene and shown in game proof)) he jumps into pure Voletile TIME, SPACE, AND REALITY which doesnt even dmg his armor OR his exposed flesh.

Then we have him Literaly Crushing the skull of an empowered Super heavy demon like its nothing during the cutscene after the Gladiator boss fight ((which the gladiator is a Higher tier demon than even the Fire Born barron meaning is skin and bone are far stronger than the fire bornes. Then we see him during the Icon of sin boss fight Face tank Astroids and Meteorites which the icon of sin rips out of space. So I ask again WHAT does the halo universe have that can dmg him even if he wer to just stand there with no armor

[LoreKeeper]

Is this good enough for you? or do I need to throw in the fact that he has BOTH GOD and an ARCHANGLE connected to his armor as his Suit AI

And throw in his Runes that will make MC move slower than a Snail covered in salt??

Which are All apart of his normal gear

[The Arbiter]

Hi, hello, Halo dude here.

I have no problem with Slayer beating Chief. I do have a problem with some of the arguments you are forwarding, or at least the rationale behind them.

Saying "immortal" as a feat is useless. LOTR Elves are immortal but a bullet to the head would kill them. We NEED to use displayed feats or else we can argue just about anything.

So again, I dont mind Chief losing. He likely does. I just dont understand some of your positions, because if you take the stuff you are saying at face value, the Slayer can likely defeat Galactus. Which is clearly silly.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Hi, hello, Halo dude here.

I have no problem with Slayer beating Chief. I do have a problem with some of the arguments you are forwarding, or at least the rationale behind them.

Saying "immortal" as a feat is useless. LOTR Elves are immortal but a bullet to the head would kill them. We NEED to use displayed feats or else we can argue just about anything.

So again, I dont mind Chief losing. He likely does. I just dont understand some of your positions, because if you take the stuff you are saying at face value, the Slayer can likely defeat Galactus. Which is clearly silly.

No, see. He has an Arch Angle in his armor.

He's faster than TIME, ITSELF.

HE CAN SMELL COLORS.

[LoreKeeper]

No, see. He has an Arch Angle in his armor.

He's faster than TIME, ITSELF.

HE CAN SMELL COLORS.

Go play doom eternal and actualy pay attention. To the every detail.

[LoreKeeper]

And no his movement speed so far is 40 -45 mph for a simple sprint as his max speed is unknown. Reaction time is up in the air.

Tho going off the way the site wants debates to go off then just about anyone Could Kill a love craftian creature or 2 couldnt they. As we can only go off of Game blancing mechanics and actual feats shown by a moving image of what there capable of.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Go play doom eternal and actualy pay attention. To the every detail.

Nobody here cares how much you love your Waifu; we care about the feats here. So far all you've done is vomit lore and say "I'm going to appraise Doomguy differently than I'll appraise Chief because HE DON'T ABLE TO SEE SOUNDS". Which is:

1) Blatantly biased.
2) Not how we debate here.
3) Kinda sad, really.

I've also played Doom Eternal. You're really overselling the man and ignoring some very obvious things that would put him, consistently, at a much lower level than you're trying to say he is. So please. Try again. I do so enjoy ripping into fresh meat.

[LoreKeeper]

If your going to Go off what a character is capable of then to Need to go off of all the facts both proven by game the games creators AND proven by lore or in dooms case Recorded events from scribes about what happened while the Slayer was on sentinel prime