Dracula vs Dracula

[Nightmare Pet]

When does it say they're anything BUT part of the castle?

Which supports my argument, and not mine if they are a part of the castle. I do not why you would argue this.

It is in favor of my point.

All Drac does in Dracula X is teleport around the room and shoot fireballs. Then he turns into a devil looking thing. When you beat him, the sun comes out. There's no dimension shifting or reality creating there.

Wrong again, and I will post the relevant scene once more. Since apparently you don't want to look at the evidence I provided on the last page.

Dracula is able to create a dimension with a super-massive black hole, that proceeds to eat a bunch of stars. He can also destroy this dimension in the third phase of the fight.



Here is a screen-capture.

we don't use databooks around here.

Which are never contradicted, and supported by what we can see happen.

just high end consistent feats.

Which shows that Dracula can easily destroy, and create universes.

sadly for you, using on screen feats for dracula, he's not the "multiversal being" you are telling us he is.

I am not telling you. I showed you. I provided evidence for it, and the relevant explanations for what we are seeing

the statements and the feats don't match up.

They do, and I provided a bunch of evidence of this. I can repost it if you like.

and when that happens, he take the feats over the statements everytime.

Cool, so as the feats make it clear. Dracula is multiversal. Whether you like it or not. Since the evidence is backing up my stance.

but how about this? dracula fights toriko. who do you think wins?

Dracula wins with effortless ease before conquering his entire multiverse. Pretty obvious, really.

If you actually knew the character.

[master of read]

If we're willing to say that it was definitely 100% Dracula that changed the weather to block out the sun that doesn't put him anymore powerful than classic novel Dracula, who could also conjurer the storms.

That's just classic Dracula powers right there. Granted, they aren't used as often as "turn to bat" or "turn to mist" but they're still there. Typiung that, I also had to stop and think for a while as to whether or not Castlevania Dracula had ever shown the ability to turn into a bat.

he does turn into bats after you kill him in super but that's about it.

soma can turn into a bat at will once you get the soul for it.

[Nightmare Pet]

Dracula as seen in Castlevania. Particularly if he is at his strongest.

In Castlevania: Bloodlines both Death and Dracula can create a large amount of dimensions, Dracula's being filled with celestial bodies (the entire screen is chock full of stars):

https://youtu.be/UAq_AH8BGfE?t=2m50s

Galamoth crashes into the moon, disperses it, and grows to the size of the moon. Which you should be able to scale Dracula as he routinely defeats the usurper, and his son Kid Dracula shoots a fireball at FTL speeds and harms Galamoth with it:

https://youtu.be/c8Icd0u6p0w?t=24s

For reference, the Abyss is yet another component of the castle and it's also an explicit universe. As seen in Dawn of Sorrow.

https://i.imgur.com/79I9QkB.png

https://i.imgur.com/zm7Covp.png

Dracula is noted to have a direct to connection the Abyss.

CELIA: Excuse me. Welcome to the headquarters of my religious community.

SOMA: You say that as if I wanted to come.

CELIA: You're afraid of having people involved because of you. Am I right?

SOMA: Yeah.... I've taken the bait. Why do you want a demon king?

CELIA: It's not that I want a demon king. In order for god to be completely good, a being of complete evil is lacking.

SOMA: That has nothing to do with me. If the world wants complete evil, the demon king will someday appear. Isn't that right?

CELIA: That may be true. Or it may not be true. But in fact, the power of the demon world is getting weaker. A demon king must definitely be made. And soon.

So, basically the direct translation of Dark Lord is Demon King and the Abyss is the Demon World.

Dracula, no longer being the Dark Lord or Demon King, has caused it to weaken. It would eventually disappear without him.

As we already know there is the Chaotic Realm as well. Which is another component of the castle, and has numerous stars and galaxies. As seen in Aria of Sorrow. There are several of those rooms in the Chaotic Realm.

https://i.imgur.com/QEvcYXJ.png

Specifically, there are four of them and two dimensions with moons. The ones with stars, and galaxies have them being thrown around like frisbees by Chaos.

https://youtu.be/rFrLQYqvDCQ

As you can see at these time-frames.

0:22+

1:28+

1:33+

2:10+

2:14+

Then the Chaotic Realm being destroyed after Soma Cruz defeats Chaos leaving only a white void before disappearing. Soma Cruz survives the destruction without so much as a scratch.

https://youtu.be/9Eu1i-X2LFE?t=3m34s

Then the nine dimensions separated from the castle by Brauner in Portrait of Ruin each with celestial bodies.

https://youtu.be/fhGP2k0ZNlE?t=8m2s

Charlotte: This painting... Its power is incredible!

Jonathan: Must be one of those paintings...

Charlotte: Without a doubt. Hm... I've got it!

Jonathan: Care to share?

Charlotte: This paintings function. Brauner is using it to

control the power of this castle!

Jonathan: Well then, let's hurry up and rip it to shreds!

Charlotte: Impossible. Anything we do will be pointless. From what I can tell, based on the theory of curse amplification, this picture is a multilayer quantum-space barrier. A kind of paranormal phenomenon.

Jonathan: Uh, okay... And what does that mean in human language?

Charlotte: ... In short, think of it as a series of walls that surround the magic controlling Dracula's Castle. The painting itself is just the outermost wall. As soon as you break it, it'll regenerate. It's unbreakable.

Jonathan: How convenient. So now what?

Charlotte: I'll align my magic with the painting's so we can enter it. That'll be the best way to circumvent the castle's magic. the risk is quite high though.

Jonathan: No problem. C'mon, what do we have to lose?

Charlotte: Okay then. Here we go.

(Jonathan and Charlotte enter the painting)

Jonathan: So we're in the painting now?

Charlotte: The will of the artist is embodied here.

Also, more confirmation when talking with Wind earlier.

Wind: Now you should be able to advance deeper into the castle. If you complete the tasks I give to you, I shall teach you even more, including magic skills. I may be able to entrust you with other items in the future as well.

Jonathan: Sounds good to me.

Wind: Oh, one more thing... Regarding this castle's lord.

Charlotte: You mean Dracula right? I've read books about him.

Wind: Dracula isn't this castle's lord.

Jonathan: What do you mean? That's why they call this "Dracula's Castle".

Wind: It is indeed Dracula's Castle. However, the castle's lord is a vampire by the name of Brauner.

Charlotte: I've heard nothing about that!

Wind: As one would expect. His identity has been kept secret for years, after all. He infuses magic into paintings to increase his power. You will undoubtedly come across these paintings in this castle. Search for these paintings.

Charlotte: He's using the paintings to make the castle's power his, isn't he? Still, he isn't Dracula, after all, so we're safe for now.

Wind: Be careful. His power grows stronger by the minute.

Jonathan: No problem. We won't let you be tied down here for long. That's a promise.

Charlotte: Trust us. Jonathan might seem unreliable, but he'd never break a promise.

Wind: Heh, that's reassuring. Very well. Best of luck to you.

Jonathan: All right then. Let's go find those paintings!

A screen-capture of one such dimension.



Also, here is another.



The castle was divided in half in Harmony of Dissonance, and the only thing stopping Dracula from fusing them back together was Maxim's spirit. Which he needed to expel before he could finish fusing the castles, and resurrect himself. Which is impressive as the castle consists of multiple universes:

https://youtu.be/0JGq2Nb1lqo?t=20s

Another thing of note is that the castle has an infinite amount of zombies and monsters. Which means that it can't possibly be finite.

Taken from Reminiscence of the Divine Abyss. It was written under supervision from Koji Igarashi.

Michelle had promised herself to use Julius’, Yoko’s and other predecessors’ quest records as a source of information to improve her knowledge on those things.

As a start, the castle has an infinite supply of zombies and drawn by the castle’s magic, numerous other monsters appeared, perhaps their existence is allowed by a part of the magic that governs the original Dracula’s castle.

Perhaps, people who sought to resurrect Dracula had called upon those countless monsters.

Soma Cruz and Alucard resisting Chaos's influence. Here is the scene outright, and Chaos is responsible for creating the infinite demons in the castle from the tortured spirits from the Abyss.

https://youtu.be/V4f9L_CFzEE?t=2m32s

Also, Death is able to kill things like "distance" and "sound." Olrox can dodge these attacks that destroy the concept of distance.

Two bronze colored scythes much larger than usual appeared; it advanced to the space in between the two men with an intention to cut off Olrox’s head.

Kill the distance-----

Kill the sound-----

Just, faster, soon, die.

It can be seen that the blades have certainly caught Olrox’s neck, but----- that is only an after image and the vampire is already at Death’s back.

Soma Cruz, and Dracula are the same person. The former even having the latter's memories. Soma Cruz erased Death from existence with the power of dominance. Death was able to regenerate from being erased from existence.

Dracula died in battle in 1999. That is the truth.

However----- his soul did not sink into chaos. Instead of losing the memory of his past self, he was reincarnated as a human being with the power of dominance over monsters.

That is the existence of Soma Cruz.

If in essence, he is the new Dracula, he should have reigned over the castle but with the help of the vampire hunters’ Genya Arikado, Julius Belmont and Yoko Belnades, as well as the previously mentioned childhood friend, his connection to chaos was severed.

Afterwards, due to his [power of dominance], he got involved in trouble but now he is sticking to living as a human being.

But his soul had scanned the past and even he cannot forgive that.

While deciding to prepare himself, Soma again concentrated on his surroundings.

-----This sign……from where……

This ominous vortex of magic was similar to what he felt in the [demon castle]. Among all the magic Soma knows, this particular type of sophisticated [power] belonged to-----

“……I know I am being rude……”

Faster than he can remember, that husky voice rang in front of Soma-----

From the shadow of the forest, a large shadow emerged.

“……tch!”

When he grasped the identity of the shadow, tension ran throughout Soma’s body.

A giant skull wearing deep blue rotten robes appeared. However, there was no sense of madness and savagery. Even the atmosphere was filled with an indication of intelligence.

“Impossible…… why here…… tch!”

Death

Formerly this diabolical being with immeasurable power stood in Soma’s way twice.

Except for the time when he was able to erase Death from existence by possessing Dracula’s [power of dominance] over the souls of monsters, his condition right now with his disregarded power and not even having a weapon was no match for his enemy.

For reference.

[Nightmare Pet]

Something I will add is the fact Julius Belmont was destroying the castle at a distance.

https://youtu.be/Pjyku6HuUIg?t=2m20s

Then there's Heaven, and the Astral Plane.

Taken from Lament of Innocence.



Taken from Portrait of Ruin.



Heaven is likely as large as the Abyss. Since Castlevania is hard on counterbalancing opposites, and Heaven is the opposite of the Abyss. The Astral Plane is of unknown size.

As we already know the castle is the symbol of Dracula's demonic power, and the castle needs to be destroyed in order to destroy Dracula.

Taken from Dawn of Sorrow.

https://i.imgur.com/hVeVJwA.png

Taken from Aria of Sorrow.

Graham Jones: "That's right. Dracula was resurrected exactly as he predicted. But, vampire hunters destroyed him completely. They ended his regeneration cycle by sealing his castle... the symbol of his demonic power, inside the darkness of an eclipse."

Dracula is able to create a dimension with a super-massive black hole, that proceeds to eat a bunch of stars. He can also destroy this dimension in the third phase of the fight.

https://youtu.be/ryBMJIDCaZA?t=38s

Here is a screen-capture.



To add to this we know there are an infinite numbers of monsters in the castle. As noted in Reminisce of the Divine Abyss. We know they are created by Chaos and Dracula taking the tortured spirits from Abyss, and transforming them into demons that are subservient to them. In other other words they messing around with the souls and minds of a literal infinite number of entities. As further elaborated by the Devil Forgemasters from Curse of Darkness who get their demonic power from Dracula.

"Heed my words, O great powers of darkness! Release to me one of the tortured souls! Let me infuse him with my life-force and awaken him to the world of the living! Immaculate being... Appear before me now."—Hector, during the ritual of devil forging

There is also Olrox, who created a considerably less impressive replica of the castle, and even it involved manipulating the souls of millions. Which he was also able to hide. Who is basically nothing compared to Alucard, and Dracula.

Taken from Reminiscence of the Divine Abyss.

At the next moment-----something unusual happened to the entire castle.

The castle’s interiors which were ought to maintain their current magnificent form, gradually showed their true form.

Starting with the gorgeous paintings and furniture, the marble and stone patterns disappeared.

A hard layer of numerous corpses formed from the bottom created a building that is a symbol of chaos and madness.

The [castle’s] true form was hidden by Olrox’s magic-----

Those summoned monster corpses deprived of magic, together with the human corpses of Graham Jones’ followers, created that structure-----

The castle became one very large Legion.

“This is …… the castle’s true form…… !?”

Noticing herself standing on top of millions of corpses, Michelle unconsciously knitted her brows.

All of the magic that Olrox used returned to him and that incomparable magic entered his body.

A thick vortex of magic surrounded his body. A portion of the corpses detached from the floor and one after the other integrated in front of Olrox.

Those corpses became a monstrous lump, the scent of death mixed with magic enveloped the entire castle lord’s room.

The numerous bodies of monsters which were deprived of magic swelled. Then in front of Michelle there was a giant corpse doll mixed with human souls. And her heart was on the verge of entering madness and despair.

“This is…… the vampire’s magic……?”

As well as the Sky Fish being able to move in a time-stop through sheer speed, and unlike other monsters it doesn't have a natural immunity. As seen when it still slows it down but doesn't stop it completely, and as noted in the bestiary its only unique trait is its speed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l5_pG9nOoA

As for the time-stop. As we see with the Chronomage, whose soul Soma Cruz has, it lasts indefinitely. Soma Cruz needed to get Zephyr's soul in order to shut it off.

https://youtu.be/e-NUKui4wRo?t=16s

Also, we see that the time-stop effects the entire world and reaches into outer space. Okay, here is one instance where we see the time-stop reach all the way to the moon and outer space. The clouds are affected, and so are the bats flying in the background. It discolors everything, and as we see with things immune to time-stop such as the Arc Demon they are not discolored by the time-stop.

http://i.imgur.com/OfKTwXZ.png

http://i.imgur.com/1pGRdrm.png

Dracula, as the Dark Lord, is the counterbalancing opposite of God. Who can't exist without him. As noted by Genya Arikado (aka, Alucard). In the same video at 6:30+ they escape the Abyss on foot, and we see them outside the castle at 6:31+. As I already provided the scans of the Abyss has at least one universe, and they get out of there before it can collapse on itself in about one second. They don't use any demonic powers to do this either. As Alucard is in his sealed state, and has his demonic power stolen by Menace earlier.

https://youtu.be/IOvCFl3UMwM?t=6m50s

Soma Cruz is able to hurt intangibles, and even abstracts such as Chaos and Death. Many of the enemies he can fight and destroy in Castlevania are outright ghosts, and as I already noted protection through divinity doesn't help either. In Lament of Innocence we see Death outright noted to be the embodiment of death itself, and the deity representative of it. We see some reality warping on his part too.

https://youtu.be/7qAXFJtbIzM?t=42m4s

https://youtu.be/ZcymYN3rZWo?t=2m24s

If you want even more evidence that the castle was made by Dracula, and by extension Chaos? Alucard notes that it is creature of chaos in Symphony of the Night too.

https://youtu.be/OuH1BlhaF_s?t=12m14s

For reference.

[master of read]

Which supports my argument, and not mine if they are a part of the castle. I do not why you would argue this.

It is in favor of my point.



Wrong again, and I will post the relevant scene once more. Since apparently you don't want to look at the evidence I provided on the last page.

Dracula is able to create a dimension with a super-massive black hole, that proceeds to eat a bunch of stars. He can also destroy this dimension in the third phase of the fight.



Here is a screen-capture.





Which are never contradicted, and supported by what we can see happen.



Which shows that Dracula can easily destroy, and create universes.



I am not telling you. I showed you. I provided evidence for it, and the relevant explanations for what we are seeing



They do, and I provided a bunch of evidence of this. I can repost it if you like.



Cool, so as the feats make it clear. Dracula is multiversal. Whether you like it or not. Since the evidence is backing up my stance.



Dracula wins with effortless ease before conquering his entire multiverse. Pretty obvious, really.

If you actually knew the character.

do you know how strong and fast end of series toriko is?

i know you have a lot more posted here but i'm gonna focus on this part since i brought it up.

[Guy1]

do you know how strong and fast end of series toriko is?

i know you have a lot more posted here but i'm gonna focus on this part since i brought it up.

That reminds me, did he ever catch up to that super powered monkey?

[Nightmare Pet]

do you know how strong and fast end of series toriko is?

i know you have a lot more posted here but i'm gonna focus on this part since i brought it up.

At the moment FTL, and star level for the likes of Toriko himself. Mind you Neo could arguably be higher considering the fact he regurgitated a universe. However, that's not impressive by Dracula's standards. You would need the Gourmet Gods to fight him, and even then they would likely lose. Since he causally maintains the six universes in the Abyss, and the Chaotic Realm. Which has several universes itself.

[master of read]

That reminds me, did he ever catch up to that super powered monkey?

oh he did and then some.

by the end of the series, toriko was doing **** like cleeving earth-size chunks off the planet and at his strongest, nearly cutting the whole planet in half with a "knife" attack.

so yeah, he's not only faster than dracula by a MASSIVE margin but he will be hitting him harder than anything drac has ever taken.

[Guy1]

oh he did and then some.

by the end of the series, toriko was doing **** like cleeving earth-size chunks off the planet and at his strongest, nearly cutting the whole planet in half with a "knife" attack.

so yeah, he's not only faster than dracula by a MASSIVE margin but he will be hitting him harder than anything drac has ever taken.

[master of read]

At the moment FTL, and star level for the likes of Toriko himself. Mind you Neo could arguably be higher considering the fact he regurgitated a universe. However, that's not impressive by Dracula's standards. You would need the Gourmet Gods to fight him, and even then they would likely lose. Since he causally maintains the six universes in the Abyss, and the Chaotic Realm. Which has several universes itself.

when has dracula moved at FTL and taken attacks the level with end of series toriko has thrown out?

and don't say "because he's a mutiveral being" or something like that. prove it with feats.

[Nightmare Pet]

Dracula could literally survive attacks from Julius Belmont who was destroying the entire castle with his Grand Crass. The castle which consists of several universes.

In terms of speed Olrox could dodge Death's attacks which are able kill the concept of distance and effectively infinite in speed. Heck, even the Sky Fish can move in time stops through sheer speed and it is fodder.

[Guy1]

Okay, so, dialing it back a bit from Toriko the Almighty, what would be the best One Piece character to use? Kizaru?

[master of read]

the final battle got really really insane in terms of feats.

i'm looking at you jirou.

[Nightmare Pet]

when has dracula moved at FTL and taken attacks the level with end of series toriko has thrown out?

and don't say "because he's a mutiveral being" or something like that. prove it with feats.

Already did. Just look up at all of the feats I provided. When has Toriko withstood any attacks that can destroy multilayered dimensions consisting of several universes?

When has he dodged attacks that destroy the concept of distance? When has he dodged attacks from something like Chaos that can spin stars, and galaxies around at massively FTL speeds?

[Alan2099]

You said Dracula X what you posted was Dracula X Chronicles. Those are two very VERY different games.