New-52 wise of course
Last edited by Orujo-man; 09-19-2016 at 04:42 PM.
Just saw the news about Drake's death. How many of us predicted this back in January/February when Rebirth was announced? Hahaha... So predictable, it's sad.
I was of the opinion that if they changed Tim's history, they would have no reason to keep his New 52 history, in particular his martial and acrobatic skills. I mean, if you're going to scrub the history at all, why should you respect anything that happened on a critically lampooned Teen Titans? Especially if the kind of flaws that his physical prowess OP-ness is the kids that you could quietly sweep under the table. Heck, even in TEC he displayed none of the OP capabilities in terms of fighting skills, so it's not like you're bound and restricted to follow bad writing.
I keep thinking that if Tim's past gets an overhaul, we're not looking at something small. He's perhaps the only Batman character who really could be in for a major repackaging in Rebirth's latter half. They haven't shied away from ignoring stuff like Lobdell's early twist on Jason's origins, since the man himself just bypassed it for the tires story, and that's arguably more important to a character than his fighting skills in a badly written book. And Simone's run on Batgirl was almost stupidly low tech, with her going to a library for a computer, but now suddenly she was acting as Oracle!
Last edited by godisawesome; 09-19-2016 at 07:05 PM.
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I see what you mean, there is nothing to lose. But I don't like the thing "We changed this and nothing has happened here".
One thing that I don't agree with you is about the origin of Jason. Actually changing his origin don't cause any mayor impact in the character. In Both, the new52 or the new Rebirth, Jason remains an orphan street-rat kid.
In fact, and this is already in the personal interpretation of each one, one could fit both origins because Lodbell isn't entirely specific about when Jason encounters Batman for first time in the Rebirth issue. Only speculations.
Over-Powered....-ness. I was trying to abbreviate and made amockery fo the english language. It happens.
Actually, I was giving some thought to why Tim, and his story in Rebirth, may end up being one of the few "on-screen" examples of a character's past being modified and retold and acknowledged in universe. If they're going to change his past, they probably want to try and dodge the consequences for the "We changed this and and nothing has happened before" dilemma you brought up. And taking Tim and making it clear that something was wrong with his personal history in Teen Titans, and maybe even the personal history of those characters like Bart and Kon who got even worse, could be acknowledged without necessarily saying "none of it happened." all the stuff in Teen Titans New 52 could have broadly happened, and the characters could acknowledge that, but also with the great big asterisk that it was the result of some major timey-wimey wibbly-wobbly stuff and doesn't fit the true version of the characters. This would be a bit like how they're treating Superman; New 52 Supes happened, but its ambiguous as to the exact nature of his relationship to the current superman and Wally West's testimony that the timeline got changed and not restarted.
Having said all that, I see and kind of agree with what you said about Jason's origin not changing him that much. It's probably more accurate to say it change the context of his relationship with Batman instead. I kind of removes the "random recruitment" angle Lobdell was pursuing before, which makes Batman look a bit better.
Like action, adventure, rogues, and outlaws? Like anti-heroes, femme fatales, mysteries and thrillers?
I wrote a book with them. Outlaw’s Shadow: A Sherwood Noir. Robin Hood’s evil counterpart, Guy of Gisbourne, is the main character. Feel free to give it a look: https://read.amazon.com/kp/embed?asi...E2PKBNJFH76GQP
Technically the tweaking in Jason`s origin was minimal and remains true to the character. He`s either charged of a robbery he helps to foil and vouched by Leslie when Batman is aprehending him or steals tires from the "Ferrari", meets Batman and Ma Gunn and foils her thing and Batman lets him in.
In either case what Jason shows and stands for, despite the upbringing and the need to do what he does to survive, remains exacty the same. What Batman sees in him remains the same.
Tim`s character suffered a bigger tweak with already making him things he wasn`t before, prior to meeting Batman.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. English is not my native language and sometimes these things happens to me.
Yeah I know what you mean, but I was comparing with Rebirth mostly because is more or less the same as the original. At least for now.
We (the readers) also know where Tim is.
(You would, too, if you read Detective Comics #940.)
Now, I glanced through future-Tim's last appearance in Batman Beyond . . . does anybody know if the (apparent) disappearance of future-Tim at the end have a direct connection to what happened in Detective Comics #940?