It's Timmy Todd from TNBA
The “street-wise kid” from the “toughest streets” part is what I think sets off alarm bells - most people would associate that particular part with Jason. It’s not even really a Duke trait, I think, since I don’t remember his background having as much of a “crime-ridden streets” detail to it (I could be wrong, since I’m only remembering Batman: Endgame vaguely). And clearly the worst case scenario is we’re seeing soemthing like what New 52 Wally saw, where someone decides to make a traditionally white character black... and then immediately has the deeply problematic impulse to go “Street Kid! Broken home! Ghetto!”
So I feel like the details are what we should really wait for to see how this goes - whether this Tim still has his parents like when he first appeared, whether his parents have disappeared and gone missing due to Gotham’s rogues like Duke, or whether we’re in trouble and he’s just an automatic orphan.
Arguably, the best case scenario would be to have both his parents alive when introduced, and have his “streetwise” persona resemble more his competence and independence that Tim and Duke could show when their parents were still alive/present.
Another character trait that would matter to me would be how he interacts with girls, though. Because I’d argue Tim being a largely innocent chick magnet who isn’t naturally suave, doesn’t try to hit on girls, and can accidentally gain a girl’s attention just by being a polite, dorky and good hearted gentleman for his age. It’s usually an important component of the character’s humorous moments and a strong contrast with Dick.
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Last edited by Aahz; 01-30-2021 at 02:34 PM.
Can’t say I’m surprised by this. Titans is the type of show where everyone must suffer and be plagued by their inner anguish. No way were we getting Dixon-era Tim.
That's not the part that makes him sound like Duke.
"his indelible belief in heroism. His easy-going demeanor is backed up by a near-genius mind, a natural detective with a perception of detail far beyond his years."
This paragraph is what reminds one of Duke. That pretty much sums up Duke. I guess some might see him as a street-wise city kid but what comes across when we were 1st introduced to Duke [and what we see in other stories featuring the character] is the hero Drako's post described.
While I do like the show it is awful damn angsty. Which is not how Tim should be. DC made a wrong turn for a while with Identity Crisis on that. Went the right way in the Red Robin book. Then f'd it up for different reaons in New 52.
The second half describes Tim. Though he's probably considered a genius at this point.
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If “easy-going” means “not hot-blooded”, than it could work for either, but Tim’s neurotic and Duke’s passionate, so it would be odd regardless. Maybe it’s some hyperbole to contrast with the show’s very hot-blooded and aggressive Jason?
And yeah, the description fits early Tim and Duke better than later Tim and Duke - and has nothing in common with, say, New 52 Tim, who was a banal and arrogant broadly characterized archetype from Scott Lobdell’s mistake of a Teen Titans book.
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Titans show is not perfect but it's enjoyable.
I'm not fond of race shift for established characters and much less for borrowing others origin traits.
Anyway I'm happy that DC reminded of the existence of my boy and, if they will be able to capture the real essence of the character, I'll be more.
I'm really doubtful about it. Time will tell.
This could be a good point!
Last edited by failo.legendkiller; 02-02-2021 at 08:32 AM.
Some of you guys need to go back and revisit Tim's early days. He was never near genius nor was he easy-going.
At this point it feels like the powers are more invested in the name Tim Drake than the actual character.
The name is a draw but the character itself needs work, has to be augmented modified in someway before serving him up to the general non comic reading public.
Titans Duke Drake
Btas Timmy Todd
AK's Tim Shady
Gotham Knights ridiculous CSI Drake wearing Damian's skin.
YJ is accurate enough though.
Anyway, Jay is a good actor and is very likable. Charismatic so I'm certain that he'll give a good performance accurate or not.
Last edited by dietrich; 02-02-2021 at 10:21 AM.
Lol. This is delusional and I am by no means the biggest Tim fan
It's the Dynamic Duo! Batman and Robin!... and Red Robin and Red Hood and Nightwing and Batwoman and Batgirl and Orphan and Spoiler and Bluebird and Lark and Gotham Girl and Talon and Batwing and Huntress and Azreal and Flamebird and Batcow?
Since when could just anybody do what we trained to do? It makes it all dumb instead of special. Like it doesn't matter anymore.
-Dick Grayson (Batman Inc.)
Tim figured out who the Batfamily were through detective skills, outfoxed the deadliest male martial artists in the world on that guy’s advantageous home turf, and remained a genius-level detective through his own solo and Young Justice, where he also doubled as the mature-yet-mellow manager of the kind of crazy personalities that made that team up.
Tim was a genius and likably mellow - a clever genius as opposed to a mechanical genius, and a mature kind of mellow as opposed to fun-loving.
New 52 Tim being dumb and being an immature idiot in a crappy Scott Lobdell is what hurt him.
Like action, adventure, rogues, and outlaws? Like anti-heroes, femme fatales, mysteries and thrillers?
I wrote a book with them. Outlaw’s Shadow: A Sherwood Noir. Robin Hood’s evil counterpart, Guy of Gisbourne, is the main character. Feel free to give it a look: https://read.amazon.com/kp/embed?asi...E2PKBNJFH76GQP
Well at least something’s happening for the character.