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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    I guess Netflix will often compare the characters of the Utopian and Lady Lyberty to Superman and Wonder Woman for the promotion of the series. I wonder if it'll push people to have curiosity for the originals. 🤔

    "Our first Millarworld cast announcement: The Sampsons have been cast! Jupiter’s Legacy imagines what would happen if a hero like Superman married Wonder Woman and had children... and those children grew up in the age of reality TV."

    https://twitter.com/nxonnetflix/stat...05366859907072
    This will be interesting to see. Funny that other companies and/or whoever else knows the potential of the idea and takes a chance with it. DC/WB Ken the original. Why not make it happen with the real deal??
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    More V-day's SM/WW toys photography:

    "Happy Valentine's Day 💞"





    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bt4WMhxHbE6/

    "Come on let’s take a ride"



    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bt4TnFDHLck/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    More V-day's SM/WW toys photography:

    "Happy Valentine's Day ��"





    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bt4WMhxHbE6/

    "Come on let’s take a ride"



    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bt4TnFDHLck/
    😍😍 Wow! More DCEU love! But not only that, but Valentines! Every post shows more and more what a missed opportunity...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveStar View Post
    New Article! Very interesting to read different POVs. Superman and Wonder Woman are perceived at times as boring, bland or too perfect. As times, they are even written that way. But actually, when taking the time to get to know the true purpose of Superman and Wonder Woman, letting them actually go through challenges and step by step get through them without short cuts. Actually be the inspiring, standout characters they are, they are quite compelling. We need more of this kind of character studies in stories than the tedious superficial stuff now.

    “Men of Steel, Women of Wonder” exhibit at Crystal Bridges Museum of American Art delves deeply, darkly into the characters”

    Think of Superman and Wonder Woman. These are American products, national symbols of our projected virtue. Truth, justice and the American way. He was born in the Depression, she just before the attack on Pearl Harbor. American myths, a brand of spangled American gods, characters so ubiquitous as to seem ordinary and perhaps beneath serious consideration. Superman and Wonder Woman are mom and pop, savior symbols who do good and banish evil. They might seem even less interesting than the costumed crusaders they inspired.

    Boy Scout-ish Superman especially seems a bit banal and square, the ultimate overdog. (Wonder Woman we'll get to later.) Maybe you find the psychological darkness of Batman, the third member of DC Comics' flagship trinity, more compelling. Maybe you prefer the method-actor angst of Spider-Man or other members of the Marvel Comics Universe. Fair enough.
    So maybe you adjust expectations for the Crystal Bridges' exhibition "Men of Steel, Women of Wonder."

    This is one thing about superheroes — they are easily impersonated. In Kaur's 2013 photograph Wonder Woman, paired with Christopher, the superhero impersonator bears only a vague resemblance to her presumptive model, the Lynda Carter incarnation of the character, but she still registers as the DC Amazon. If Superman can recede into Everyman anonymity by putting on a pair of glasses, why can't we be special by tying a blanket around our neck as a cape?

    "Superhero impersonators ... go out and this is their job," Alejo Benedetti, Crystal Bridges assistant curator and the exhibition's creator, says as he guides a group of journalists through the exhibit. "Don't we all have those same types of experiences when we dress up for Halloween or we go to the gym? These are some of the ways these characters exist within our daily world."

    In other words, when does a costume become an identity?

    Superman was born in the Depression and "Men of Steel, Women of Wonder" astutely locates the character's roots in the political and economic tribulations of the times, offering a few examples of New Deal-era works of working-class men and women laboring heroically, such as Tyrone Comfort's dynamic Gold Is Where You Find It (1934) and James Edward Allen's 1932 etching The Skyman, which depicts a muscled iron worker hovering over a city skyline.

    Superman first appeared in the pages and on the cover of Action Comics No. 1 which, in keeping with the conventions of comic books, bore a cover date of June even though it was actually published on April 18, 1938. (The exhibit features a rare copy of this issue, along with Sensation Comics No. 1, which marked Wonder Woman's debut. Though that title is dated January 1942, it actually hit the newsstands in October 1941, before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.) But Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, classmates at Cleveland's Glenville High who became Superman's spiritual fathers, had been refining the character for years. Siegel's short story "The Reign of the Superman," illustrated by Shuster, was published in the January 1933 issue of Science Fiction: The Advance Guard of Future Civilization, a fanzine printed on the school's mimeograph machine.

    The original Superman doesn't bear much resemblance to the familiar superhero — he is a villain picked out of a bread line by a scientist who promises him a "real meal and a new suit" in exchange for testing an experimental potion that gives him the power not only to read the thoughts of others but to control them with his mind. He kills the scientist and uses his new powers for evil until they wear off and he finds himself back in the bread line.

    As the story ends, the former Superman is pondering what might have been had he "worked for the good of humanity."

    That dark Superman never took off. So Siegel and Shuster went back to the drawing board and created an icon, one that borrowed a bit from Doc Savage (the "Man of Bronze") and Philip Wylie's Hugo Danner and Edgar Rice Burroughs' John Carter, the Confederate officer who gained superpowers when he was transported to Mars. They gave him a costume with a cape and an S on his chest. They gave him a blue-black spit curl. They made him a refugee from a blown-apart planet with powers that were impressive though not quite unlimited.

    At first, the reinvented Superman had the proportional strength of an ant — he could lift hundreds of times his own weight. He could vault a 20-story building or leap an eighth of a mile. (Planet-pulverizing power and flying came later.) His first story handled his origin myth in just three comic panels. Siegel and Shuster famously sold their rights to what was to become the most famous fictional character ever created for $130.
    . . .
    Superman is easy enough to deconstruct — he clearly seems a product of adolescent male wishfulness. He can't be hurt by earthly plights; he's strong, aloof and pure. He flies faster than light. He retreats to his Fortress of Solitude. His seemingly superfluous alter ego exists to demonstrate that within any apparent weakling a god may lurk. (So watch who you bully.)

    His invulnerability posed a problem for the Silver Age writers who had to invent dozens of varieties of Kryptonite, each with its own specific and limited effect on our hero to hold our interest. (Superman has "died" at least 15 times in various comics; the first time was in 1966 when he was assassinated via Kryptonite radio waves. He was revived by a Superman android that, programmed to behave like Superman, sacrificed itself.)

    Wonder Woman is a kinkier, more complicated creature.
    "Wonder Woman was from the start a character founded in scholarship," her creator, Harvard-educated psychologist William Moulton Marston, wrote in a press release announcing her arrival.

    "The only hope for civilization is the greater freedom, development and equality of women.''
    Marston, an expert on truth and deception who developed the systolic blood pressure test (which he used as a kind of rudimentary lie detector), may have been a good candidate for the most interesting man in the world, according to the research of his biographer Jill Lepore.

    Marston led a highly unconventional home life, having married editor Sadie Elizabeth Holloway in 1915 before taking a second "wife" — his student, Olive Byrne, niece of birth control advocate Margaret Sanger — in the 1920s. The arrangement had Holloway essentially supporting the family because Marston had trouble holding a job until 1933, when he was hired by pioneering comics publisher Max Gaines to help him respond to calls for comics bans. ("Ten million copies of these sex-horror serials are sold every month," thundered the Chicago Daily News in 1940.)

    Marston's association with Gaines led directly to his pitching the character, which Lepore has convincingly demonstrated was based on Marston's relationships with his various lovers and his fondness for bondage scenarios:
    "Not a comic book in which Wonder Woman appeared, and hardly a page, lacked a scene of bondage," Lepore writes in The Secret History of Wonder Woman.

    Wonder Woman draws a large part of her power from her sexuality, and so it's not just New Deal depictions of women doing their bit in the factories that show up in the Crystal Bridges exhibit — Norman Rockwell's iconic 1943 painting Rosie the Riveter is a given — but pinup artist Earl Moran's early 1930s pastel Golden Hours, which was once used as the cover of a large box of chocolates, and Gil "the Norman Rockwell of Cheesecake" Elvgren's Jill Needs Jack (1950).
    ...
    While there's plenty of fun to be had with "Men of Steel, Women of Wonder," the deeper you go into the galleries, the darker the interrogations of the characters become. It is a remarkably executed, graceful monochrome hymn suffused with love.

    In an essay in the exhibit's innovative five-volume catalog, has an amusing (and insightful) discussion on underwear and the should-have-been (but wasn't) obvious connection of Superman's costume to the tights worn by circus strongmen. Books might — and no doubt have — been written about the ways artists of different ethnicities have responded to the reflexive whiteness of these characters (even though it is often observed that Superman is an illegal alien and Wonder Woman hails from an island in the Mediterranean). Why do they fight for America?

    Well, perhaps because America needed them. As the Laurie Anderson song "O Superman" (the video is also part of the exhibit) goes, "O Superman ... O Mom and Dad. Mom and Dad."

    Surely she intended that line to be an allusion to Philip Larkin's "This Be the Verse"? Certainly she understood the ways a hero could become a master. We get the heroes we deserve, and sometimes we find them in unlikely places. Sometimes even inside ourselves.
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    Wow, what an interesting (and long) read. I just finished it, thanks again for bring these article here. I guess we'll get articles about the exhibit till April when it'll be over. 😅

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    Wow, what an interesting (and long) read. I just finished it, thanks again for bring these article here. I guess we'll get articles about the exhibit till April when it'll be over. 😅
    LOL! It seems that every new article gets longer and longer! As I said it’s fascinating reading the different POVs.

    And of course! 🤗 It seems a new article is every other day or so. Or even more pics. Can’t wait for more and of course will share all of it as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveStar View Post
    This will be interesting to see. Funny that other companies and/or whoever else knows the potential of the idea and takes a chance with it. DC/WB Ken the original. Why not make it happen with the real deal??
    Jupiter's Legacy and the Astro City adaptation could always end up open the way for the real deal, no? 🤔

    Quote Originally Posted by LoveStar View Post
    😍😍 Wow! More DCEU love! But not only that, but Valentines! Every post shows more and more what a missed opportunity...
    Yup... especially the pics with the HotToys SM/WW... they look the real Henry and Gal. 😅

    Quote Originally Posted by LoveStar View Post
    LOL! It seems that every new article gets longer and longer! As I said it’s fascinating reading the different POVs.
    They have more to say with the progress of the exhibit. 😉 I expect a full essay by April. 😝

    And of course! 🤗 It seems a new article is every other day or so. Or even more pics. Can’t wait for more and of course will share all of it as well!
    I keep seeing mostly the same pics shared by the visitors of the exhibit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    Jupiter's Legacy and the Astro City adaptation could always end up open the way for the real deal, no? ��
    Of course! People will see them and automatically associate them with SMWW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    Jupiter's Legacy and the Astro City adaptation could always end up open the way for the real deal, no? 🤔
    Oh, yep yep! There is a good to this of course! It’s just a shame that the original is lagging behind.

    Yup... especially the pics with the HotToys SM/WW... they look the real Henry and Gal. 😅
    Yeah...the realistic look of the dolls give even more of an idea. Really should be the real deal developing the dynamic they’ve always had.

    They have more to say with the progress of the exhibit. 😉 I expect a full essay by April. 😝
    LOL yes! Aw man that will be about 20+ pages long 🤣

    I keep seeing mostly the same pics shared by the visitors of the exhibit.
    Yeah, it is much of the same but I saw some new one earlier today...will share soon 😉

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveStar View Post
    New Article! Very interesting to read different POVs. Superman and Wonder Woman are perceived at times as boring, bland or too perfect. As times, they are even written that way. But actually, when taking the time to get to know the true purpose of Superman and Wonder Woman, letting them actually go through challenges and step by step get through them without short cuts. Actually be the inspiring, standout characters they are, they are quite compelling. We need more of this kind of character studies in stories than the tedious superficial stuff now.

    “Men of Steel, Women of Wonder” exhibit at Crystal Bridges Museum of American Art delves deeply, darkly into the characters”



    https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/...uWqRY.facebook
    Thank you for sharing.

    The idea of Superman and Wonder Woman's heritage and identity becoming something more relevant and tangible as social fabric changes and we become more conscious and self aware and made to feel less ashamed of where we come from and that it is is okay ...we can be diverse and still be good citizens of our adopted country...I wonder what these artists would think of DC's continued negative ideas and take on Mom and Dad being seen as dangerous if they were to unite or fall in love? That Mom and Dad needed to be almost diluted and neutralized by more...er traditional ideas of what it means to be a good citizen or as DC like to say...grounded or human.

    We have talked about this many pages before and how insulting it is to two heroic characters and the subtext it sends is very xenophobic and racist. One of them was raised in America and still they don't see him loyal or good enough that he can choose someone who fits the "outsider" or "alien" as Diana. She also needs someone human because her dna and culture apparently makes her dangerous and being raised by good people isn't good enough for either Clark or Diana. We have seen many writers pushing this from Injustice to even the crap with Booster Gold in the new 52 and stories that try to make it seem as if Clark and Kal are two different people. I have read this drivel from traditional minded fans online who even try to make an issue of a name. It's so ridiculous because many of us...no matter where we hail from...we can all answer to nick names, proper names, pet names, we might have more than one name...yet the use of any of them does not dilute who we are or how we see ourselves. sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deiasilva10 View Post
    Of course! People will see them and automatically associate them with SMWW!
    Yup, especially Astro City's Samaritan and Winged Victory because of their iconography. 😎

    Quote Originally Posted by LoveStar View Post
    Yeah, it is much of the same but I saw some new one earlier today...will share soon 😉
    Can't wait to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    I guess Netflix will often compare the characters of the Utopian and Lady Lyberty to Superman and Wonder Woman for the promotion of the series. I wonder if it'll push people to have curiosity for the originals. 🤔

    "Our first Millarworld cast announcement: The Sampsons have been cast! Jupiter’s Legacy imagines what would happen if a hero like Superman married Wonder Woman and had children... and those children grew up in the age of reality TV."

    https://twitter.com/nxonnetflix/stat...05366859907072
    My dream would be they adapt KC for TV. Flesh it out in a series and it could make for a really cool story because it , more than many of their other stories, have a lot of real world and relevant themes. But not on their bland platform ( face it there is really no compelling reason atm to take up DC Universe...they have nothing the quality of GOT or TWD or ST that has high ratings and full of old stuff and rehashed content) . It would be better on Netflix or HBO. I know they doing Watchmen on HBO. I have Netflix and I like the casting so far for Jupiter's Legacy. I will tune in for sure.

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    Wonder Barbie and Ken(t) Doll:

    "Made for each other."







    https://www.instagram.com/p/Btzc3kfA5jt/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    More V-day's SM/WW toys photography:

    "Happy Valentine's Day ��"





    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bt4WMhxHbE6/

    "Come on let’s take a ride"



    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bt4TnFDHLck/
    Well toy Cav-El & WonderGal have been having quite the romance for this last year the amt of pics I see of them!!!! ...lolololol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    Yup, especially Astro City's Samaritan and Winged Victory because of their iconography. ��


    Gotta admit I can't wait to see their scenes together!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellacre View Post
    Thank you for sharing.

    The idea of Superman and Wonder Woman's heritage and identity becoming something more relevant and tangible as social fabric changes and we become more conscious and self aware and made to feel less ashamed of where we come from and that it is is okay ...we can be diverse and still be good citizens of our adopted country...I wonder what these artists would think of DC's continued negative ideas and take on Mom and Dad being seen as dangerous if they were to unite or fall in love? That Mom and Dad needed to be almost diluted and neutralized by more...er traditional ideas of what it means to be a good citizen or as DC like to say...grounded or human.

    We have talked about this many pages before and how insulting it is to two heroic characters and the subtext it sends is very xenophobic and racist. One of them was raised in America and still they don't see him loyal or good enough that he can choose someone who fits the "outsider" or "alien" as Diana. She also needs someone human because her dna and culture apparently makes her dangerous and being raised by good people isn't good enough for either Clark or Diana. We have seen many writers pushing this from Injustice to even the crap with Booster Gold in the new 52 and stories that try to make it seem as if Clark and Kal are two different people. I have read this drivel from traditional minded fans online who even try to make an issue of a name. It's so ridiculous because many of us...no matter where we hail from...we can all answer to nick names, proper names, pet names, we might have more than one name...yet the use of any of them does not dilute who we are or how we see ourselves. sigh.
    Every time this narrow minded backwards view is forced it’s like:


    I love how SMWW is referred to as “Mom and Dad”. 🤗 it’s great. But the main point is that majority of what we’ve talked about, has been brought up in some way. It’s been validated. It’s opening the mind to who these charcters are and suppose to represent. They are suppose to exceed the normal, yet their “normal” is very much relatable and relevant.

    There has been a whole lot of irony, lately. The SMWW dynamic is understood, embrace and celebrated as motivation and inspiration. Trying to turn it into some doom and gloom has been totally dishonest, disrespectful and disconnected to the broader view.
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