Official Speed Ranking of DC Heroes & Villains (DC Nation #2)

[Buried Alien]

Having Superman capable of travelling at the speed of sound is still pretty damn super!!
I strongly believe The Flash needs to be the 'Fastest Man Alive' or really, what's the point??

Concur. Even if Superman isn't the fastest, he's one of the fastest, and he's got the best all-around collection of powers among all DC superheroes (hence, SUPERman). The Flash is the Fastest Man Alive...that's his whole gig. Superman is still plenty super even if he isn't the fastest.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[manwhohaseverything]

Having Superman capable of travelling at the speed of sound is still pretty damn super!!
I strongly believe The Flash needs to be the 'Fastest Man Alive' or really, what's the point??

Superman has speed, flight, strength, x-ray vision, heat vision, freeze breath - just because I don't rank him top 5 in regards to speed, doesn't diminish his awesomeness!

Well yeah, he has all those powers and he is meant to be superman not normal man. But superman should be a package DEAL. Flash can be the fastest man alive. But superman should atleast be on the playing field competing with everyone in everyway.this just doesn't limit to speed, strength, intelligence and every other aspect of the character.

Barry or Wally can only be the fastest after beating superman. Lex or Bruce have to beat him in strategy/intelligence. Diana or shazam in strength. Have you read one punch man? I am not saying he should be that drastically powerful. But he should always be an all rounder competing with the best, if not the best in all aspects.

Clark should be up there in every regard, so that others can compete with him, surpass him and vice versa. And keeping him chained at sound speed is incredibly limiting while others just keeps getting more powerful(It would feel normal, no offense. Since everybody can do it) .beating superman should be feat of it's own. Clark should be as powerful as the writers want him to be. He should be able to leave the planet, go on search for his family on the other side of the universe, outrun the infinity And do all kinds of shinanigan. what is the point of having a glorified jobber?

Edit- he is the ideal to strive towards. right?

[Joker Venom]

Well yeah, he has all those powers and he is meant to be superman not normal man. But superman should be a package DEAL. Flash can be the fastest man alive. But superman should atleast be on the playing field competing with everyone in everyway.this just doesn't limit to speed, strength, intelligence and every other aspect of the character.

Barry or Wally can only be the fastest after beating superman. Lex or Bruce have to beat him in strategy/intelligence. Diana or shazam in strength. Have you read one punch man? I am not saying he should be that drastically powerful. But he should always be an all rounder competing with the best, if not the best in all aspects.

Clark should be up there in every regard, so that others can compete with him, surpass him and vice versa. And keeping him chained at sound speed is incredibly limiting while others just keeps getting more powerful(It would feel normal, no offense. Since everybody can do it) .beating superman should be feat of it's own. Clark should be as powerful as the writers want him to be. He should be able to leave the planet, go on search for his family on the other side of the universe, outrun the infinity And do all kinds of shinanigan. what is the point of having a glorified jobber?

Edit- he is the ideal to strive towards. right?

He's still super without having to overshadow the other heroes in their respective categories. The one category where he should stand above them all is in strength, because he's pretty much always been top dog in that aspect. Maybe invulnerability, but I could make a case for Captain Marvel/Shazam having the edge there, since his invulnerability is based in magic.

But, there's no real reason for him to be as fast, or faster than the Flash, especially when Flash's abilities are all centered around speed, and Superman's aren't. Plus, Flash draws his speed from an extradimensional source that Superman does not have a connection to. There's NO reason Superman should be faster, or even equal.

As I pointed out previously, he's still ranked above several other speedsters on the list, and is pretty solidly the fastest non-speedster in the DCU. That's pretty impressive, any way you look at it.

[JackDaw]

Having Superman capable of travelling at the speed of sound is still pretty damn super!!
I strongly believe The Flash needs to be the 'Fastest Man Alive' or really, what's the point??

No, going speed of sound is not remotely impressive when Flash is going at multiple light speeds...single light speed alone is about a million times faster than speed of sound.

I’m all for the main Flash being a bit faster than Superman, but against Flash’s speed being a completely different order of magnitude to Superman’s.

[manwhohaseverything]

He's still super without having to overshadow the other heroes in their respective categories. The one category where he should stand above them all is in strength, because he's pretty much always been top dog in that aspect. Maybe invulnerability, but I could make a case for Captain Marvel/Shazam having the edge there, since his invulnerability is based in magic.

But, there's no real reason for him to be as fast, or faster than the Flash, especially when Flash's abilities are all centered around speed, and Superman's aren't. Plus, Flash draws his speed from an extradimensional source that Superman does not have a connection to. There's NO reason Superman should be faster, or even equal.

As I pointed out previously, he's still ranked above several other speedsters on the list, and is pretty solidly the fastest non-speedster in the DCU. That's pretty impressive, any way you look at it.

I am OK with the ranking for the time being. But the guy I was replying to suggested that superman shouldn't be allowed in top 5 and should be relagated to sound speed travel.

I never said overshadow them. But Compete with them. And sometimes beat them at their own game and vice versa. I genuinely hate the whole"I leave you in the dust interpretation that has started". It is not just in regards to speed. The nerfing superman, so that he is out of my favorite hero's way needs to stop.superman is not allowed to be the strongest, the fastest or the smartest or compete with the elite at their own ball game.It has done nothing for the character,other than shackle him and drain him of competency . Especially, in the post crisis. He is being turned into a wimp and a jobber to show, how great other characters are at their particular fields.

People who don't like him will, continue to not like him.nerfing won't make a damn difference.what started out as reaction to complaints of being op, writers not being able to handle Supes power level and tell good stories. Is just pure unadulterated character humiliation, now.

Dude as I said, Supes had speed before flash existed.And his powers aren't centered around anything. You could say strength, but speed has always been just as important. Which accentuated and differentiated him from other strongmen characters from the get go."faster than a speeding bullet" is pretty as much as important to the character. Just because a guy specialises in something doesn't mean a damn thing. there are guys who juggle 10 things and do them just as good. Think of it this way. There is a guy who has phd in a particular area, he is good in that area. But then comes another guy who has PhD's(don't tell me that doesn’t happen) in multiple areas and good at them. Now the second guy would be called super.it does not take away from the fact that the first guy has one PhD.Allowing superman to be super does not mean, you demeaning others.
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And regarding the whole "speed force" thing which is a gimmick and a crutch. I can reverse that, and ask Tell me does flash have "bio electric aura" or connect to "5th dimension" .which is "whatever the hell writer wants it to be"

[JackDaw]

I’m often startled at notion that Superman is primarily about strength and can’t excel at anything else such as speed and intelligence.

I find that baffling...a long history of speedster level feats was integral to character for decade after decade.

And arguably extreme intelligence is even more central to the “Man of Tomorrow”...yet I can’t remember the last time Superman made a good showing in one of these boards “name DC’s most intelligent characters” threads.

[manwhohaseverything]

I’m often startled at notion that Superman is primarily about strength and can’t excel at anything else such as speed and intelligence.

I find that baffling...a long history of speedster level feats was integral to character for decade after decade.

And arguably extreme intelligence is even more central to the “Man of Tomorrow”...yet I can’t remember the last time Superman made a good showing in one of these boards “name DC’s most intelligent characters” threads.

Yeah, I agree. Atleast Morrison always tries to incorporate intelligence when he writing superman. Others just don't care for the "man of tomorrow" or "champion of the oppressed", just "man of Steel" .
Superman should be viewed as challenge for humans and meta humans to achieve . Strangely, Lex understands this. But lacks the spirit of competition and is completely narcissistic . The whole Superman is just a strong dude from a small town interpretation fly's in the face of the character is.

Superman is more than that. He is about what ethical behaviour for a powerful/talented person is, what ethical behaviour should be around that person for the rest of us.
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[liwanag]

No, going speed of sound is not remotely impressive when Flash is going at multiple light speeds...single light speed alone is about a million times faster than speed of sound.

I’m all for the main Flash being a bit faster than Superman, but against Flash’s speed being a completely different order of magnitude to Superman’s.

i agree with everything in this post.

i feel superman should still be able to go faster than sound if he has to go up against the new gods, or an imperiex type conqueror.

[Superfan90]

He's still super without having to overshadow the other heroes in their respective categories. The one category where he should stand above them all is in strength, because he's pretty much always been top dog in that aspect. Maybe invulnerability, but I could make a case for Captain Marvel/Shazam having the edge there, since his invulnerability is based in magic.

But, there's no real reason for him to be as fast, or faster than the Flash, especially when Flash's abilities are all centered around speed, and Superman's aren't. Plus, Flash draws his speed from an extradimensional source that Superman does not have a connection to. There's NO reason Superman should be faster, or even equal.

As I pointed out previously, he's still ranked above several other speedsters on the list, and is pretty solidly the fastest non-speedster in the DCU. That's pretty impressive, any way you look at it.

So Superman can't be the top guy in anything? What's the point of the character then? He is not Superman, he is AVERAGEman.

Maybe Hawkman should outfly him because it's his thing then? Ooh, let's make him weaker than anyone else who has superstrength because it's their thing?

What's Superman's thing? Getting beat up so others can shine?

[Kon93]

Superman's thing is being the MAN,and EVERYONE else trying,scratching and crawling to his level.its not a hit to superman if someone is as fast or as strong as him,its a HUGE accomplishment that anybody else can match or "seemingly"overtake him.

There is a reason that he is the benchmark

[Stanlos]

Concur. Even if Superman isn't the fastest, he's one of the fastest, and he's got the best all-around collection of powers among all DC superheroes (hence, SUPERman). The Flash is the Fastest Man Alive...that's his whole gig. Superman is still plenty super even if he isn't the fastest.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Superman was one of the first supers to have premium superspeed. I don't see how he should be outside of the top 5. Same with Captain Marvel and WW.

[MadFacedKid]

Having Superman capable of travelling at the speed of sound is still pretty damn super!!
I strongly believe The Flash needs to be the 'Fastest Man Alive' or really, what's the point??

Superman has speed, flight, strength, x-ray vision, heat vision, freeze breath - just because I don't rank him top 5 in regards to speed, doesn't diminish his awesomeness!

What's the point of Flash if no one can touch him and he's always the fastest person in the comic. The fact Superman has to be diminished for people to feel Flash has any relevance is pretty telling in that regard. Which I dont agree with at all. Hulk has the "The Stongest there is" going for him that doesnt stop writers from having him being being physically challenged or overpowered it doesn't take anything away from the fact he's a powerhouse. The same way someone challenging Flash speedwise shouldn't take away from the fact he's a valuable speedster for the JL on top of his other abilities outside raw speed. Time travel, forensics knowledge etc.

[JackDaw]

What's the point of Flash if no one can touch him and he's always the fastest person in the comic. The fact Superman has to be diminished for people to feel Flash has any relevance is pretty telling in that regard. Which I dont agree with at all. Hulk has the "The Stongest there is" going for him that doesnt stop writers from having him being being physically challenged or overpowered it doesn't take anything away from the fact he's a powerhouse. The same way someone challenging Flash speedwise shouldn't take away from the fact he's a valuable speedster for the JL on top of his other abilities outside raw speed. Time travel, forensics knowledge etc.

I’d agree with that.

And factually in practically the entire span of the Silver Age, Superman was as fast as the Flash, and nobody thought that made the Flash worthless.

Beyond that it’s hard to see how it would effect Flash at all if Superman flying through space was faster than Flash running on Earth.

And...of course..access to speed force has given Flash a whole host of speed related powers other than running fast.

As I’ve said before, Flash being fractionally faster is probably the best overall set-up, ignoring space flight.

Certainly think when Flash is portrayed as being many, many times faster, that portrayal of Superman loses much more than Flash gains.

[MadFacedKid]

I’d agree with that.

And factually in practically the entire span of the Silver Age, Superman was as fast as the Flash, and nobody thought that made the Flash worthless.

Beyond that it’s hard to see how it would effect Flash at all if Superman flying through space was faster than Flash running on Earth.

And...of course..access to speed force has given Flash a whole host of speed related powers other than running fast.

As I’ve said before...Flash being fractionally faster is probably the best overall set-up...but when Flash is portrayed as being many, many times faster...then I think portrayal of Superman loses much more than Flash gains.

I aecond you're stance as well. I have no issue with Flash being faster than Supes but it shouldn't be to the point where he's completely untouchable. I liked how they're speed was displayed in the DCEU JL movie. The animated JL vs Titans movie. and Johns Justice League origins for the New52. In a combat sense Flash was clearly faster then Superman but it wasnt to the point where he couldnt be touched.

Also yeah Flash has a host of abilities to call upon outside running really fast. If they want to ever show him x10 faster then Supes I feel like it should be via borrowing speed or speed steal.

[Shockingjustice]

Superman's thing is being the MAN,and EVERYONE else trying,scratching and crawling to his level.its not a hit to superman if someone is as fast or as strong as him,its a HUGE accomplishment that anybody else can match or "seemingly"overtake him.

There is a reason that he is the benchmark

They way you put that makes it seem like every character is worthless to superman.