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    Wanda deserves better than being locked into Aaron's unhealthy obsession with the phoenix force (which should only be associated with Jean and Rachel, seeing how it's been used since)

    I personally would have liked her to step into Savage Avengers with Magik and Strange, however I have no idea what Duggan's opinion of Wanda is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert1981 View Post
    Well, I'm used to stereotypes of all kinds now. You know how tv shows and movies emphasize that the hallmarks of Native American people is their "spirituality" and how Chinese women are portrayed as powerful, ruthless and deceitful "dragon ladies"? I actually don't think things on that front will really change so I kind of accept them now.
    Somethings aren't as easy to accept when they create the perception that leads to attacks against your people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruelrain View Post
    Again, hopefully WandaVision makes the characters more popular (Currently, Scarlet Witch is much more popular than she ever was especially thanks to her fight with Thanos) and it seems like Kevin wants the series to be nominated for an Emmy next year.


    I wish Wanda could be in the Avengers books with her old teammates but then i remember that the current Avengers books are trash, especially the ones written by Jason Aaron lol
    They have no personality in that book. It's flatlined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert1981 View Post
    Maybe Marvel editorial probably ran out of ideas for the characters. They're only so many stories about Vision being disassembled and Wanda going crazy that they can tell.
    Well then tell stories that don't include those things. Donny Cates teased a Midnight Sons team with Wanda, Agatha, Doom, Blade, Magik and others on it. He can't be the only one who is actually creative at Marvel. But after Damnation ended, the team was never formed.

    Then there was Darkhold that got delayed due to Covid.

    There is also the issue of some writers being turned down when they wanted to do stories about Wanda. So it really doesn't seem to be a lack of stories, but a mandate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert1981 View Post
    I think you can count Olsen amongst those people. I think they like the drama and spectacle of that story. Thankfully, I believe that Marvel Studios seems to be focusing more on the Vision and Scarlet Witch and Vision books for inspiration. Wanda was much more involved in those books. I do think Bettany was really excited about reading the Vision series when it came out a few years ago. He talked about it on social media (that really surprised me because he said he was never interested in reading comic books growing up in England in the 70s and 80s). I guess, he's become a fan more recently. I really hope Olsen has read some other Scarlet Witch stories besides the stuff that was published fifteen years ago. And I definitely agree with you about HoM. I think her character will be irredeemable if they adapt that story the way it was written originally in the MCU. If Wanda and Vision don't get more prominence in the books now, I think their Z-list status will probably be permanent.
    Doesn't matter what an actress likes. Especially when they aren't on the level of RDJ. Olsen has a very slim to none understanding of the character. Same with most movie and x-fans that want HoM to happen.

    But yeah, I think they are focusing more on Vision and the Scarlet Witch, mixed with The Vision and HoM will be easter eggs.

    People also forget frequently that HoM wasn't the first time Wanda tapped into powers to reality warp. So even if it's her created reality, it doesn't mean it's HoM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leokearon View Post
    Aaron's Thor run was good until he started the Jane Foster Thor stuff which was a slur to anyone who has or is battling cancer.
    I thought any writer would treat that subject with tact and sensitivity. I'm surprised to hear he didn't!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    Somethings aren't as easy to accept when they create the perception that leads to attacks against your people.
    Yeah, I understand where you're coming from. I would NEVER accept movies and shows that incite hatred, bigotry and violence. When I was growing up, ANY and EVERY movie and/or tv show about terrorism involved "swarthy" and "treacherous" Muslims willing at the drop of a hat to betray their countries and commit terrible atrocities. That's why I'm stunned that Marvel Studios of all people are creating a show for a character who portrays a Pakistani-American in a positive light. I applaud Disney for trying to push back against harmful stereotypes. It's lamentable they didn't do that for Roma folks, but I appreciate that they're TRYING. And you don't have to rely on fictional stories to find stereotypes. As you well know, I'm an avid watcher of Maury. And trust me, the way that show portrays certain racial groups can be considered VERY destructive. Yet, those same racial groups love Maury just as much as anybody else. Hell, Maury practically introduced the words "baby daddy" and "baby mama" into the American lexicon. So I'm not sure if that kind of thing is actually HARMING anybody. I used to be a lot more insensitive back in the day and made jokes about Native Americans and their lucrative casino businesses. But I'd like to think I'm a more respectful person today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    Well then tell stories that don't include those things. Donny Cates teased a Midnight Sons team with Wanda, Agatha, Doom, Blade, Magik and others on it. He can't be the only one who is actually creative at Marvel. But after Damnation ended, the team was never formed.

    Then there was Darkhold that got delayed due to Covid.

    There is also the issue of some writers being turned down when they wanted to do stories about Wanda. So it really doesn't seem to be a lack of stories, but a mandate.
    That Midnight Sons thing sounds interesting. Very magical. I didn't know writers were being turned down for doing things with Wanda. That's really strange to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    Doesn't matter what an actress likes. Especially when they aren't on the level of RDJ. Olsen has a very slim to none understanding of the character. Same with most movie and x-fans that want HoM to happen.

    But yeah, I think they are focusing more on Vision and the Scarlet Witch, mixed with The Vision and HoM will be easter eggs.

    People also forget frequently that HoM wasn't the first time Wanda tapped into powers to reality warp. So even if it's her created reality, it doesn't mean it's HoM.
    I don't know why Olsen likes that HoM stuff so much. When Whedon gave her comics to look at before she signed on to the Avengers, he recommended HoM for required reading. However, he was on record saying he disliked that story. But apparently, it captured Olsen's imagination? I really like Olsen, but she is NOT on the same level with most of her MCU peers (Hemsworth, Jackson, Cumberbatch, Cheadle, Renner, Rudd, Ruffalo, Larson, Johansson, and Holland) and she will not be able to influence how Wanda is portrayed on screen. It's weird how Olsen (who I said I do like) doesn't really understand her character (or in a kind of superficial way), but now practically claims ownership of it! I've never seen Bettany say that about Vision. Although I think we can all agree that his portrayal is spot on with the comic book version (only he's a lot dumber and weaker in the movies). What I do appreciate about Bettany is that in every interview that I've seen of him in the past year, he's ALWAYS made a point to thank Jac Schaeffer and her writing team for creating WandaVision. None of the other MCU actors and actresses have done that for their previous movies. I think that's really classy of him. I hope Olsen will do the same in the future as well (I admittedly had concerns of a female writer writing a male character like Vision, but if Bettany has confidence in Schaeffer, then so do I).
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    They have no personality in that book. It's flatlined.
    So in essence, they aren't quippy.

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    I don't blame Lizzie, i'm sure most of the actors don't care about the characters they portray (they're not obligated to), it's probably the people, writers and fans who probably told her ""Yeah Wanda is so powerful she controls Reality"" it sounds good but sadly it ins't like that in the comics.

    Even Bendis tweeted about WandaVision when Marvel dropped the trailer... Like he did something good for the character
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruelrain View Post
    I don't blame Lizzie, i'm sure most of the actors don't care about the characters they portray (they're not obligated to), it's probably the people, writers and fans who probably told her ""Yeah Wanda is so powerful she controls Reality"" it sounds good but sadly it ins't like that in the comics.

    Even Bendis tweeted about WandaVision when the trailer was out... Like he did something good for the character
    I don't blame Olsen either. She's not a comic book expert. Many an actor/actress would like to be part of stories that are absolutely insane and out of control, so I get why she would be drawn to them. In my personal opinion, I don't think violence is all that entertaining. But that's just me.

    You think Loki's gonna show up in the Multiverse of Madness? I have my opinions about this character, but I will only state them after you respond to this question!

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    I'm not putting blame on Liz. I'm saying that actors should not be the barometer for content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert1981 View Post
    So in essence, they aren't quippy.
    No, they don't have their typical personalities. There is more than two personality traits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    No, they don't have their typical personalities. There is more than two personality traits.
    I was just joking around. I actually think it's pretty hard to write different personalities, so I try to cut those writers some slack. I'm a very forgiving and easygoing person when it comes to that kind of thing. As I've said MANY times before, I just don't like it when writers turn superheroes into assholes in their movies. I'm okay with Dr. Strange being an ******* though, because he is a loveable one (Stark Part Deux). That's the ONLY exception I've made thus far. I think Daredevil, the Amazing Spider-Man and the recent Batman (all movie versions) were assholes too, but they possessed no charm. So by the end of their movies, I wished they were dead.
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