X-Men Fantastic Four # 4 (of 4) Review & Spoilers

[braddocks]

Morgan is a villain, for sure.

But the gate was blocked by Otherworld, they didn’t want Krakoa entering their realm, which is why Morgan called for Brian.

And Jamie is not exactly an improvement on Morgan.

[Tycon]

Uh Morgan attacked Cap Britain and Psylocke first.
Being ruled by an actual evil witch Im sure the otherworlders are sorely missing her reign.
Cap Britain was called the rightful heir to otherworld throne...

Right. like as soon as she found Krakoan petals she went on a crusade to end Mutants. The provocation was intentional, but the response wasn’t balanced at all. Plus.... this is Morgan le Fay we’re talking about lmaooo

[Steel Inquisitor]

Amazing. All the death and evil that Loki did in the past doesn't count because he got the Hiddleston face, but Apocalypse's does because grrr X-Men bad.

It's telling this weak response is all I get from my post, read more Marvel comics like Journey into Mystery.



Please don't project, if Hiddleston Loki was a mutant he'd have numerous people saying what he did was right. All Apocalypse had to do was morph himself into a super model and he's a sex god. Which is so strange considering many here have claimed to watch X-men cartoons so when they see this they should know it's a bad.



Intriguing, rewatching this again X-men TAS really made him into mutant Darkseid.

Your idea that Apocalypse or Krakoa are currently this super bad villain is as fanon as it gets.

There's no denying they are. However, that's only part of what's irritating - the other part is the whitewashing every mutant super-villain like him before Krakoa as if they were heroes to start with. It's hard to believe they're heroes if you have to acknowledge how monstrous their pasts are, I suppose.

[Tycon]

The “what if Loki was a mutant????” thing wouldn’t make sense because we know why Mutants do what they do, regardless of allegiance. What Apocalypse does is for the survival of his people, what Selene does is for survival, same for Exodus, even Sinister is looking for the best avenue for mutantkind through genetic tampering and cloning. Does that justify their actions??? No, not at all. But that can’t be compared to Loki who literally just does sh!t for giggles’ sake or his own goal. Or Doom who thinks he’s above and beyond everyone. Or Red Skull who’s a nazi.

[Veitha]

It's telling this weak response is all I get from my post, read more Marvel comics like Journey into Mystery.



Please don't project, if Hiddleston Loki was a mutant he'd have numerous people saying what he did was right. All Apocalypse had to do was morph himself into a super model and he's a sex god. Which is so strange considering many here have claimed to watch X-men cartoons so when they see this they should know it's a bad.



Intriguing, rewatching this again X-men TAS really made him into mutant Darkseid.



There's no denying they are. However, that's only part of what's irritating - the other part is the whitewashing every mutant super-villain like him before Krakoa as if they were heroes to start with. It's hard to believe they're heroes if you have to acknowledge how monstrous their pasts are, I suppose.

Read current Avengers, then. Where he brought a world scale catastrophe to Earth for giggles. And besides, you accepting Loki as a reformed villain but not Apocalypse just shows your double standards.

You have no proof that Krakoa is villainous, you're just repeating it times and times again as if it gave power to your conjectures.

[The Cool Thatguy]

The “what if Loki was a mutant????” thing wouldn’t make sense because we know why Mutants do what they do, regardless of allegiance. What Apocalypse does is for the survival of his people, what Selene does is for survival, same for Exodus, even Sinister is looking for the best avenue for mutantkind through genetic tampering and cloning. Does that justify their actions??? No, not at all. But that can’t be compared to Loki who literally just does sh!t for giggles’ sake or his own goal. Or Doom who thinks he’s above and beyond everyone. Or Red Skull who’s a nazi.

Except that Appoccy's more about survival of the fittest, killing large amounts of humans and mutants alike. Hell, in one reality, when mutants proved 'unfit' in his eyes, he allowed them to die out

[BroHomo]

The “what if Loki was a mutant????” thing wouldn’t make sense because we know why Mutants do what they do, regardless of allegiance. What Apocalypse does is for the survival of his people, what Selene does is for survival, same for Exodus, even Sinister is looking for the best avenue for mutantkind through genetic tampering and cloning. Does that justify their actions??? No, not at all. But that can’t be compared to Loki who literally just does sh!t for giggles’ sake or his own goal. Or Doom who thinks he’s above and beyond everyone. Or Red Skull who’s a nazi.

I guess Summer ending early...cause Tycon is schooling these folks! Class. Is. In. Session!

[Tycon]

Except that Appoccy's more about survival of the fittest, killing large amounts of humans and mutants alike. Hell, in one reality, when mutants proved 'unfit' in his eyes, he allowed them to die out

We are talking about 616. His goal was survival of the fittest but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t rooting for mutantkind. You could see that clearly in his game plan when he showed up at the Xavier Institute after M-Day. He just also accepts that if Mutants can’t prove themselves, he’ll have to accept whoever is strongest.

[Veitha]

We are talking about 616. His goal was survival of the fittest but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t rooting for mutantkind. You could see that clearly in his game plan when he showed up at the Xavier Institute after M-Day. He just also accepts that if Mutants can’t prove themselves, he’ll have to accept whoever is strongest.

Moira explained that Life X Apocalypse was still in his immature state until Krakoa. I think now we are seeing Life IX "mature" Apoc

[Steel Inquisitor]

The “what if Loki was a mutant????” thing wouldn’t make sense because we know why Mutants do what they do, regardless of allegiance. What Apocalypse does is for the survival of his people, what Selene does is for survival, same for Exodus, even Sinister is looking for the best avenue for mutantkind through genetic tampering and cloning. Does that justify their actions??? No, not at all. But that can’t be compared to Loki who literally just does sh!t for giggles’ sake or his own goal. Or Doom who thinks he’s above and beyond everyone. Or Red Skull who’s a nazi.

We know what mutants do what they do, they're individuals not a hive mind. They're not all fighting for the common good of their kind, they're people. Sabretooth is a serial killer and mass murderer who holds mutant life as significant as human life, zilch. He'll kill them both and anyone else when he's in the mood. Apocalypse is the last person who's fighting for his kind, all he's done lately is put on happier face because Krakao embraced his Survival of the Fittest ideology and is currently gaslighting, manipulating and physically abusing his charges because he never actually changed. The fact he's not putting all the X-men in a blender at the moment does not erase the fact he's done this for the majority of his long life and he'll get back to it once he's bored with this. He's evil incarnate, and isn't shy about it and strangely he's also very talented at creating cults of deluded followers who he'll abandon if they're lucky. Selene kills because she likes it, and wants to be a goddess and if she decides all the inhabitants need to be sacrificed in a magic ritual to do it she won't hesitate to do it. Mutant life means nothing to her. Exodus is a flunky who is defined more by his powers than an actual personality of his own and is a mass murdering psychopath. Doom's philosophy is exactly the some as everyone listed except he's focused on himself. Red Skull has a speech about transhumanism, many mutant super-villains follow it they just focus on the "mutant" angle.



Let's go over a few quotes:
"Leaving humanity behind," and "embracing it proudly." His goal: to conquer humanity and place himself at its head. Which mutant super-villains have said words like this to your recollection? Why were the X-men fighting them?

The comparison with Loki wasn't about who he is its about who'd defend him if he were a mutant and there isn't a mutant super-villain on Krakoa who isn't.

[The Cool Thatguy]

We are talking about 616. His goal was survival of the fittest but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t rooting for mutantkind. You could see that clearly in his game plan when he showed up at the Xavier Institute after M-Day. He just also accepts that if Mutants can’t prove themselves, he’ll have to accept whoever is strongest.

Appoccy's created two timelines that ended in genocide, three if one count's Cable's future. Combine that with the body count from his terrorist attacks, or those launched by the organization he founded, and I can see why traditional heroes do not trust him.

Because if it weren't for traditional heroes, Appoccy would have unleashed oceans of blood.

[Tycon]

We know what mutants do what they do, they're individuals not a hive mind. They're not all fighting for the common good of their kind, they're people.

They literally are lmao.

It’s a community...... a community based on the shared goal of trying to keep their species safe anyway they can. You can characterize all those Mutants in whatever way you’d like but the point is Krakoa unites them all because it was touched on every Mutant’s wish to see themselves thrive. That’s why they are not beholden to one ideology or another, despite what you keep insisting.

Appoccy's created two timelines that ended in genocide, three if one count's Cable's future. Combine that with the body count from his terrorist attacks, or those launched by the organization he founded, and I can see why traditional heroes do not trust him.

Because if it weren't for traditional heroes, Appoccy would have unleashed oceans of blood.

We are talking about the 616.

Moira explained that Life X Apocalypse was still in his immature state until Krakoa. I think now we are seeing Life IX "mature" Apoc

Yupppp

[The Cool Thatguy]

We are talking about the 616.

Technically, Age of Apocalypse happened in 616, remember? Having to go back, change time, etc.

Boom!

[Veitha]

It's an alternate reality. Same as TAS or MCU.

[The Cool Thatguy]

It's an alternate reality. Same as TAS or MCU.

Happened in 616, still counts