Originally Posted by
Steel Inquisitor
Moving the goal posts, first we have to discuss whether you agree Nightcrawler was right over Apocalypse. It's alarming how you're conflating every mutant criminal is going to line up behind Apocalypse without thinking and that the threat is civil war is what should keep the mutant population subdued out of fear rather than oppose him. Which would be in character for Apocalypse, given that he's an immortal tyrant.
I'm not suggesting they break their promise to all villains, just the ones who aren't trustworthy.
"Powerful assets" are only assets when they have loyalty your group, not corruptive ones known for having their own horrible agendas that could turn on you at any time, like Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister. Alliances with villains like them are brief in nature, they're not someone you should think are going to be long term allies.
Do you know who Apocalypse is? What his personality is like? What's he's done? Your reaction to the villains is like you're going them a complete blank slate and that they're loyal X-men now. Many can do this, but not all of them. Except I never said they had to go back to the previous status quo, you're trapping yourself into thinking it's either Apocalypse or death when that's not all the options available. The mind control is a theory, but what if I'm right?What if Apocalypse got to Xavier, which in turn go to Emma and the other telepaths and so on? Then what? Why wouldn't I be looking at what the writers have made in the past to know what they're doing? That's what writers do, they have patterns. Do you have any proof Hickman did a 180 on his thoughts on the Avengers? Where did he say the Illuminati were right? Judging a book by its cover is not exploring how writers did prior projects or characters pasts, it's about skin deep reactions.
So what? They aren't any different from other supremacists, it's in the name. Wasn't too long ago Apocalypse nearly destroyed humanity with a gene bomb when he evolved out of his Evan persona. Supremacy is about being superior to other races, not whether you want to kill humans (Apocalypse does, btw.) Moving the goal posts. Fairly sure killing mutants is illegal in the Marvel universe.
You'll toss Creed to the wolves but won't bat any eye for Apocalypse? They're both monsters.
Part of the fun with reading comics is dissecting the stories and figuring out where it'll go. It's not passive entertainment. It's not a conspiracy theory to think Apocalypse is an ancient tyrant who believes in the Survival of the Fittest that shouldn't be trusted. I salute Hickman for making Apocalypse come off like someone that is trustworthy for readers, that's master class writing give his past.
Part of your "facts" are basing it on Moira being right based on future time lines, which in the Marvel universe are very fluid.
Are you going to question Apocalypse? You've avoided speaking about him in this post. He's not a "good guy," he's mutant Satan.