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Nothing on panel indicated Emma did anything “easily” or “with barely any effort”. That once again is you inserting a whole cloth fabrication based on apparently nothing into the issue. Emma didn’t even outfight Rachel, in reality Rachel countered every single move she made, to Emma’s clear on panel surprise, until Emma droped the daddy bomb. The “win” here was literally just Emma convincing Rachel to quit. She outsmarted her, outmaneuvered her, but when she was engaged in actual direct combat the best she did was stalemate Rachel.
As for your Omega diatribe there, the issue is you’re conflating Jean and Rachel’s omega classification with the Phoenix connection. Unfortunately that’s irrelevant since both characters were confirmed omegas or as having unlimited potential after they were entirely separated the Phoenix. One has nothing directly to do with the other and your linking of them doesn’t even work in continuity.
Those outside the Grey line have been able to host the Phoenix since the 1980s (Xavier) and 1990s (Feron, Giraud, etc) so even that statement’s off and was disproven before the Omega stuff. And some of those aren’t even mutants. You’re also holding on to Sinister and Madelyne as some sort of rationalization but that’s not foolproof either. Sinister makes mistakes, hell he couldn’t even get Maddie’s X-Gene to register or manifest and thought she was a waste at first. His motivations for creating Nathan have been all over the map too over the years (genetic research, access to power, as a host, as a host for Apocalypse, to kill Apocalypse, etc). None of this somehow disproves Jean being an Omega and it doesn’t even apply to Rachel at all.
1) Why do you deny what happened on panel in the Emma vs. Rachel fight?
Rachel came at Emma full-on with a serious attack right here:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/cAIXHeLYmb...sxym5Pnv=s1600
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/uGjEOUbui4...3vcU6BDt=s1600
Emma was the master teacher giving a lecture to a simpleton student. Look at what she's saying to Rachel and how casually she disarms her and deconstructs her psi-armor. Emma is not breaking a sweat here. She's not making any real effort while Rachel is doing all she can to try and win this psi-fight.
Then, upon failing in this regard, Rachel tries to go at Emma psychologically only to lose in that arena as well:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/gdhk9kam2_...FvnkwE9V=s1600
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/IBV_PNFog7...0dCnPDLS=s1600
Then, after all of that, Emma says Rachel is not her equal as a telepath:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/9HTIh89OXY...jMSgPNqs=s1600
Rachel was ouclassed in every way BIG time in this fight. This would also explain why Exodus could do nothing else when he fought Emma telepathically as all his focus had to be directed to her when she was his psychic opponent while he could fight like 5 other X-Men at the same time he battled Rachel telepathically.
Emma is leagues above Rachel.
Jean is the strongest telepathic in the X-men and the strongest telepathic hero.
It looks like X is being set up as an antagonist. I can't see him being on an X-team. I just hope his storyline plays out in a comic I'm not reading and this new status quo goes away.
Emma wasn't going all out with her powers when she chained Rachel up. Hence, Rachel said after she broke free, "Let's do this for real," as she manifested her psi-weapons and psi-armor.
When Emma stripped away her weapons and psi-armor, she could have gone for the kill at that point, but opted not to. Heck, she stole Rachel's own psi weapons away from her.
I love how the fight started, though. I love how Emma socked her in the face on the Astral Plane and then told her she needs to teach her some manners:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ofCHwp06em...KpTburhT=s1600
This was not a fight at all. This was Rachel biting off far more than she could chew in challenging Emma, and the White Queen going easy on Rachel just to illustrate how Rachel is not her equal.
Last edited by rutog98; 08-20-2018 at 01:36 PM.
I was going to ignore the rest of this post since I have already addressed most of these points in my earlier rebuttals to you, but I will make a few comments.
The first paragraph I have already addressed and debunked in my other responses to you. No need to say anything there. I've already proven the whole unlimited power concept with the two Grey women telepaths being connected to the whole Phoenix thing and I provided scans and issues to back it up like the Selene vs. Rachel images from Uncanny X-Men #207.
Regarding your second paragraph, as I've stated, only a few people outside of the Grey line were able to host the PF for years which put them in a special class for being able to house the comic bird. Furthermore, Stryfe, X-Man, and Cable without the techno virus are more powerful than non-Phoenix Force Jean and this has been consistently established throughout canon. In other words, Sinister has been proven right in his estimations regarding the progeny of Cyclops and Jean Grey being more powerful than either parent. He did not make a mistake in this assumption.
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ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!
ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!
Thanks for providing these scans since I did not read the issue. Xavier clearly did not catch Jeen and the rest of the O5 by surprise with his mindwipe. He told them beforehand what he was going to do and Jean even had time to reply.
Xavier: "Come tomorrow, you'll have moved on and I won't even be a distant memory." <----So, Xavier was letting them know he was about to mindwipe them.
Jean: "So, that's it?...etc.etc.etc."
Xavier: "...I always held out..."
Mindwipe.
Nope, nobody was caught by surprise here. They had forewaring, time to reflect on the forewarning, and everything.
Last edited by rutog98; 08-20-2018 at 02:06 PM.
ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!